Quick! Any historian on board?

Listen up kids!

It is amusing to read the "opinions" of ill-informed subjects on issues that they nothing about.

I would recommend to all the defenders of "Haitian Rights" to study the history of "La Española" before you give out your passionate opinions.

I would recommend my high school textbook: "Historia Dominicana" By Frank Moya Pons.

As they said:

"If you don't know what you are talking about, at least try to look like you do"

JC,

It seems to me that all these tourist that go to dom rep and spend a week there come back as experts on Dominican society and history!!??? And for some reason the natives that have lived and were raised there are insensitive to their opinions!!!!

nikotyn

Que viva La Republica Dominicana sin Haitianos!!!

Niko , I can only object as a strong opponent to any form of racism.What would you say if someone made a statement similar to yours about the dominicans living in a foreign countries i.e. the unoited states ?

Mr. Pascal Yhuello said:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Niko , I can only object as a strong opponent to any form of racism. What would you say if someone made a statement similar to yours about the Dominicans living in a foreign countries i.e. the unoited states ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Mr. Yhuello: It looks like you are confusing the issue at hand here. What Niko (maybe he likes to smoke)is referring to has nothing to do with racism but with the issue of illegal aliens on DR territory (almost a nation within a nation). It is very easy to cry "racism" at the mere mention of the Haitian issue because that word can push people's emotional buttons very easily.

As far as Dominican, and any other aliens, living illegally in the United States, we could say that they are in violation of the law and should be processed as mandated by current statutes.

What strikes me the most about your post and the ones from some of the customers of this board is your strong stance on this issue without having any knowledge of the history of La Española. Like that credit card commercial says "It pays to discover"

Furthermore, if you feel that you are such a Paladin of the Haitian cause (whatever it is) I think that you would have not problems describing to us all the initiatives that you have taken to help Haiti and its inhabitants. Do you sponsor children from Haiti? Had you adopted an orphan from Haiti? Had you open your house to a student from Haiti so he could attend a school in your country? Do you send money on a regular basis to non-profit agencies in Haiti? Had you sacrificed your holidays to go and do some volunteer works in Haiti cities? Do you spend some hours of your day working in your town to get help for the people from Haiti? When you travel to the DR and you see those Haitian being victimized by "racism", do you take them out to lunch? Do you give them all of your clothes? Do you go grocery shopping and fill up their tables with food? Do you visit their houses and counsel them in the fact that it is wrong to enter a country illegally?

I hope that the answer to all of the questions is yes because I don't tend to believe on people that herald causes from the comfort of a cozy living room. Talk is cheap! ...and when is from afar is even cheaper!

Best Regards,

JC

I do agree talk is cheap and you seem to want people to learn while you assume what other people do or don't do , know or don't know. My location in the DR is Montecristi close to Dabajon at the border with Haiti. I do have or rather feel close links with Haiti maybe because I happen to be French . I also happen to have a Haitien as an employee and I believe he is treated the way I would like to be treated myself. As far as what I do else , I am being working on a project to preserve what is left of forest and wood in Cap Haitien . Supply gas tank and cooking device at low cost involving the ONG and the ministry of agriculture. Tell me now if you are interested , any gesture is welcomed

Monsieur Yhuello:

You didn't provide straight answers to my straight questions. Your post is kind of evasive in touching the core of the real issue.

Firstly, I do feel respect in earnest for your close links to the Haitians. On the same tune, I do feel that I am close to your country because I am going to star studying your language next week. However, you physical presence at the border doesn´t grant you any real knowledge of the historical background that pertains to Dominican-Haitian relations.

Secondly, I have had employees in the past (Hispanics and Americans) and I also gave them the excellent treatment that I personally expect for myself. Now, I don't understand how is that relevant to the topic here.

Thirdly, I wish you success with your project. I love the earth and find that type of endeavors commendable.

Finally, sorry for turning down your courteous offer for involvement but I need to do work here to make sure that I too get cooking gas.

Best regards!

JC

Pascal, quit while you are ahead , as far as trying to win argument or issue with JC, forget it. PORQUE EL TE VA DA UNA PELA DE LENGUA.

it may be helpful not just to ask but to answer question about espanolan/haitian history: the island of espaniola was basically abandoned by early conquistadors in favor of discoveries in Panama, & then in Peru and Mexico. It was considered that espaniola was pretty stripped. left on the island were some Black slaves, remnats of indigenous, and "has been" lower class Spaniards. the island was vulnerable then to Francis Drake, various other pirates, and the French. The French came with their Black slaves and started on the western end of the island, but from there took over the whole island. the island has, since then been overrun by the Haitian a couple of times, and they have had to be pushed back to an agreed upon border many times. The Dominican side of the island is supposed to be for the Spanish descendants and the Haitian side for the French descendants. The world tends to feel a lot of pity for the Haitians' problem, but has a different attitude toward Dominican problems. It doesn't help that the DR has tried to appear White, and denied its own problems in development in its own Black areas. the world wants the DR it sees, the upper classes suchas DR1 presents to help those less fortunate. The DR's own less fortunate are hidden and ignored, which puts the DR in a press not much of the world realizes. It is for Haitians to be helped in Haiti, and for the Dominican poor to be acknowleged and helped by those involved in the DR

Well said Arcoirirs, however I am Dominican and the Dominicans in my country allways have loock down on Haitian because they think Haitians are inferior do to the fact that they are black and most of them illiterate, but my Grandmother tought me to love and respect Haitian because because they are hard workers and honest and sometime better persons than our oun compatriots. The Haitian people is for real.

Gaby, pretty soon I will be offering via-internet "Remedial Lessons in Dominican History for Confused Souls, Misguided Spirits and Other Customers".

The first 100 people to sign-up will get a "yaniqueque relleno de carne molida con queso".

Best regards,

JC