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Notice you are back on line. Hope you had a nice long weekend.
You have been invited to continue our discourse that was begun on this board until it was deleted by the fearless leaders of DR-1.
I have tried to post the link directly in this message to access Bravenet but every time I do. My screen goes blank and I am booted out of the message board. I have attempted to provide you with the link below.
In case you don't remember, I had just posted my credentials for discussing medical topics and was awaiting posting of yours. I believe someone has/had already posted the last communication on this board to the Bravenet board so it should not be hard to take up where we left off. That is if you are so inclined. If not, just know the invitation was extended. And your decision will be respected to the max.

ECH, I have no intention on posting any messages that deal with the volatile subjects. I had noticed that the previous subjects had attracted nothing but insults and threats ( Regretfully, I had contributed my share of filth….as well). It seems like this board is not about freedom of expression but a breading ground for some folks who wait for others to post and then, to take their suggestion apart surgically. I had posted on the health topics before but never had experienced such harsh opposition from you like I did the last time. I guess, you didn’t know that I was a chiropractor then… now you do so you have chosen to make a mockery of myself and of my profession.
I have seen your credentials and I am not surprised at all. I can never match nor come close to your qualifications but I am very good at what I do and I get people well everyday. My reward doesn’t come from the wall hanging diplomas but from seeing the smiles of my patients (upon feeling pain-free from life long pains). These are my credentials: producing results, day in and day out. Simple solutions with simple comprehensible explanations and diagnosis.
But if you must know my credentials (if it helps you digest your meal better) then here it is:
I am by education, an electrical engineer (BSEE, bachelor of science in Electrical Engineering, Brooklyn, NYC). I had worked in lake Orion, Michigan in GM plant as an electrical engineer. Later I had decided to change my career (out of sheer boredom).
I had to take pre-med courses and then I was allowed in the chiropractic university in Atlanta, Georgia. 4 years of intense medical and chiropractic course (including, radiology, spinal manipulation, tons of orthopedics, neurology and human dissection courses). I then did 2 years of clinic training before I was allowed to take my national board exams. Later, I had attended numerous hours of chiropractic, sports medicine and extremity manipulation seminars to further improve my skills.
Now I have been in DR practicing for more than 3 years.
Sorry, if I have disappointed you with my credential: too bad I cannot act like a god.
Then again, we can only have one god in DR1 message board. Might as well, let it be you. Hehehehe
Have a nice day.
(P.S. No hard feeling Doc. you are still my favorite MD

why the medics are so intimidated by chiropractors i will never understand.every specialist has its place. i think that both of you have chosen your proffessions for the same reason, to help people feel better.
wouldnt the world be in a different state right now, if we could all just respect each other, be kind, and spend our lives trying to improve the quality of life for others? that is what both of you have chosen to do in your respective careers, both of you, keep up the good work, help people in need, and remember, you really are in the same proffession, are you not? healers.

Sorry you declined the invite.
I am also sorry you feel or felt I intimidated you. You can only be intimidated if you ALLOW yourself to be intimidated. And I will be quite honest with you, I had and have no idea as to the training of chiropractors. You have enlightened me somewhat but must admit your description was somewhat lacking. "Tons of orthopedics, neurology, human dissection courses." You see, I only had one semester of human anatomy and neurology and only two weeks of orthopedics and that was an elective. You accuse me of making a mockery of you and your profession. I don't even know you and the only contact I have had with you profession was tangentially when I had a patient present to the emergency room suit case in hand to be admitted. He said he had a fractured rib and his chiropractor said he needed it removed and he did not do surgery. The other instance was a patient explaining his treatment for a stye (hordeolum) on his eye. The chiropractor had used a vibrator, such as used by a barber to massage the scalp,and proceeded to STIMULATE HIS LIVER to increase the flow of bile that was sluggish and causing the stye. The bile was blocking the duct channel from the liver to the eye. Of course, there is no such anatomic structure. Sorry but I found this rather incredulous and finally, I can remember full page ads in the newspapers during the polio epidemic of the 1950's when chiropractors were advertising prevention with "adjustments".
I am sorry, but when I feel there is a post with misinformation in my field of expertise I am compelled to make a comment. If you take offense at that, then I am sorry.
A proper analogy for you would be if I would make incorrect statements about chiropractic, of which I admit I know nothing, would you not feel compelled to make comments?
I can't comment about your credentials as you were somewhat vague but I will tell you I am impressed that you have your BSEE. My college room mate was a EE and I KNOW how difficult that is to obtain.
Now you have a nice day and y'all come back.

Very well said "just a Girl". I have chosen from the very beginning to do my part in helping the people in living a better life (pain-free). I see that our MD is admitting to the fact that he knows very little of the chiropractors. In reality, almost all MDs know very little or non what-so-ever of the chiros. They pretend they know enough by reading odd ads in the news papers from the 50's (chiropractic have come a long way since then) or have known or heard of cases where people actually got hurt (note: not killed...as in the medical profession). You will see off-shoots of chiropractic profession as you see in every other profession, good chiros and bad ones. So what does it say about the whole profession as a whole? Not much, just one person's opinion over another’s.
I feel that an MD should be obliged to inform himself of this growing profession of chiropractic which is being embraced by the millions all over the world.
I have had cases where the patients were under the allopathic care for months, continued suffering from cervical (neck) pain but their MD had never bothered to refer them to me. When they had, finally, entered in my office (out of desperation); they were surprised to see how quickly and simply I was able to relieve them of their pains and discomfort. You think it was fair to the patient to be suffering for so long because his/her MD didn’t feel it was necessary to send him / her to the right type of professional?
I, on the other, always refer patients to the proper specialist for the required treatment. If a patient comes in with a fracture of a bone…send straight to an orthopedist. Herniated disc (if its beyond chiropractic treatment), sent straight to a neurosurgeon, etc etc.
My question is this, if a doctor doesn’t feel he has to learn anything about the other alternative practitioner then how in the hell he is going to be looking after the best interest of his patients?
When ECH admitted he knew nothing of the chiropractic profession, my question is this: How difficult is it to get some information regarding this profession? You see, the reason being simple, he doesn’t care to know anything about them. Then MDs, like him, are the first ones to prevent their patients from obtaining chiropractic care.
When a prominent MD like Depak Chopra deviated from the conventional medicine, questioned its fundamentals and had decided to explore the spiritual aspects of the human health; he is labeled a “con artist”. Yes, the very 2 DR1 MDs have questioned his beliefs and his character. One has openly called him names, almost as if he is considered a traitor.
Let me tell you this: Dr. Chopra didn’t win millions of followers all over the world by being a con artist. Have you ever heard him talk?
Same way, millions of people have visited chiropractor all over the world and millions more are venturing into their office (even after the opposition of their Mds) are finding out more efficient method of caring for their spine. Let me tell you this: we didn’t become so popular by practicing quackery or by conning people. We provide our services with the purest intentions of healing people (of-course there are off-shoots of our profession who may not seem so scientific, but that’s not to say that all chiros are quacks.)

For your knowledge ECH: I have had a case where a little child (1 year 8 months old) was brought in to my office by his concerned mom. The child was unable to walk or to even stand up. The orthopedic surgeon wanted to do a surgery in the ankle because of some arcane diagnosis that he had come up with. Fortunately for the mom (who had exhausted all her resources on various MDs) didn’t have the money to pay for the expensive surgery. She was referred to me by a friend. Upon examining the child, I had noticed that the problem was not in the ankle but on the right psis joint (posterior superior iliac spine). The joint where the ilium articulates with the sacrum (save it doc, if you would say that sacro-iliac joint doesn’t have motion) was the problem area…not the ankle. The ilium had fixated posteriorly with respect to the sacrum. All was administered was a simple adjustment in the ilium. After the first therapy, the child began to stand up by holding edges of the table (after 1 day), after the second therapy he was able to stand up on his own. To make the long story short, after the 4th treatment he was able to walk around so fast that it was difficult to point the TV camera at him for the media presentation.
So you see doc, there are funny (yet dangerous) diagnosis made in all professions.
I wouldn’t even mention how many thousand of people die every year from bad prescription medicine or from the errors made during the surgery.
How many patients can you find over a whole century that were gravely hurt by chiropractic treatment?
Anyway, the "just a girl" is right, instead of finding defects in each other’s profession, lets work together to help the world live a betterand a healthier life.
Have a nice day.

I can see this is going nowhere fast. This is not my idea of a debate. And you misunderstood about my comments regarding chiropractic. I know a great deal about them. I did not KNOW ABOUT YOU OR YOUR TRAINING. That was what I was questioning. And I personally know of someone HURT (read: KILLED) by chiropractic adjustment. MY WIFE'S UNCLE was in a chiropractors office in New Albany, Indiana some years back and was having a "cervical adjustment" you alluded to and the guy BROKE HIS NECK and he DIED RIGHT THERE IN THE OFFICE. More interesting is that he (the chiropractor) packed his bags and left town the very next morning and was never seen or heard from again.
I have several other cases that I know PERSONALLY but will not bore you.
And very quickly, there are physicians who are incompetent, are frauds, thieves, and druggies. I am not trying to defend the entire profession to the extent that all is well. We have our fair share of no good s.o.b. crooks just like anyone else. And in this regard, just because Deepak Chopra has M.D. behind his name does not mean he is a good physician (unfortuantely). And how about the followers of the famous Jim Bakker (evangelist) PTL Club who bilked millions of dollars from millions of people. And he did it by being a CON artist.
Far more patients die from receiving the wrong medication than from surgery. Surgery has peer review. It is difficult to track inappropriate medication and this is usually via other health givers (nurses)making the error. BTW: do you undergo peer review?
And finally. I have asked numerous questions about your profession and you ignore them....how am I going to learn if you don't answer questions. I guess the major question at this point is what is the difference, in your mind, between orthopedic specialists and chiropractors? Forgetting of course that orthopedic specialists are surgeons in addition to the other nuances of their practice.
Instead of finding defect in each others profession lets work together....
How does one IMPROVE if he does not know what mistakes he is making so he can correct them? That is why we have required M & M (Morbidity & Mortality) conferences.
YES, HAVE A NICE DAY

ECH,
lets leave it at that and lets not continue to bore people with our conversation regarding our professions. You have demonstrated yourself to be a gentleman of high ethics and professionalism. Instead, I would like to concentrate in providing good info to the new-comers who wish to enjoy 100% of their trip to this wonderful island.
have a nice day.

I agree with you completely. Why bore others with our differences of opinion. We will terminate the discussion/discourse now.
However, do allow me the opportunity to chastise ONE OF MY OWN COLLEAGUES, DEEPAK CHOPRA, M.D. This is an attack on MY medical community, not yours.

As for Chopra, I can't understand why anyone would trust somebody who claims that he has levitated and who says that "if you think happy, you will have happy molecules." I suspect that many people who buy his books don't actually read them because if they did, they would never buy another one again. His beliefs include the idea that "illness and aging are an illusion and we can achieve an ageless body and a timeless mind by the sheer force of consciousness." Try telling people with cancer that their illness is an illusion and can be cured by happy thoughts. Most of what Chopra advocates is typical New Age babble. For example, he says that (a) a person is a field of vibrating energy, information and intelligence connected to the entire cosmos; (b) all organs of the body are built from a specific sequence of vibrations; (c) when organs are sick, they are vibrating improperly; (d) certain herbs and aromas can help to restore proper vibrations; (e) certain gems and crystals can rejuvenate human skin; and (f) good thoughts can reverse the aging process." How does he know all this? Simple, because he believes it to be true and as a result, it is unnecessary for him to prove it.