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You bring up some interesting points which I've asked myself as well. As a Haitian, I too was brought up in a catholic household (yes most haitian are die hard catholics). Going to mass was mandatory and one would have to be halfway dead in order to skip mass.

Well, let me just go directly to your point that interest me. Matter & God are they the same? Hmmmm!!!! Lets see, how can I convey my ideas in a coherent manner. To be honest...I don't know? Well, let me just explain to you from my personal experiences. Religion & Science are closely related but one tends to be abstract & the other concrete. I was taught that God is a spiritual entity..He/She exist beyond the 3 Dimensional world. John 4:24 God is not within the boundaries of space. Psalm 90:4 Now while reading alot of science books I've learned that matter exist in everything which can be found in 3 states. I said to myself, mezanmi(Dios mio), this sounds like God... Like you, I would not dare go out on a limb to convince myself that God & Matter might be the same although deep down I felt science was on to something...

The Bible, to me, is science, math, biology, and physic books all in one which are conveyed in parables. Mankind have accomplished so much with science but there are too many things that we as mere mortals know nothing about...thus, I am greatful for mankinds contribution in deciphering some of the mysteries and continue praising God.....Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Nal0whs

Interesting post, Tordok.

Here is something to think about...

Well, first and foremost, I (as a Dominican and I suppose this is almost expected) was born into a Catholic household. I think I know every prayer there is in that religion, but currently I am not too close to Catholicism, despite the fact that if people ask me what my religion is, I will say Catholicism.

However, I am more akeen to reading the Bible (whether most of the stories were true or not is irrelevant to me, each story has a moral significance behind them that is good for the most part, thus its a good source of getting one's life in the good trajectory, in my opinion) rather than going to church and hearing the opinion of a preast of what the Bible says.

I think, if you do good, God will redeem you even if you never stepped foot in a church, but that is my own personal belief and by default, that makes me a non-Catholic since in order to be a real Catholic, one has to believe 100% in what it teaches, but that is besides the point.

However, pertaining to the existence of God, I stumbled upon an interesting fact using religion and science that has lead me to come up with interesting questions and I will present them here, just for the purpose of bringing this to light, as oppose to creating a debate around this.

According to religion, God was the creator of all things. God is everywhere, God is in everything, God has always existed, but God was never created and will never be destroyed, and God is not a being, but a spirit or a thing out there.

I never fully believed that inside of me, but I accepted it just how many religious people accept that today, though I think most people have some level of doubt as to how true that may be.

As I have stated, I did not fully believed in that until I read in a science book the definition of matter.

According to Science, Matter is everywhere, matter is in everything, matter has always existed, it cannot be created or destroyed. Matter forms part of every living and non living thing, in the air, in space, in everything.

This, of course, automatically leads to the belief that when ever some is created on its own (ie. a fetus forms with hands, legs, head etc, automatically out of thin air. Some how each cell which is identical in the Zigot stage evolves into distinct body parts, etc) what is creating that thing is matter. Matter is within that living creature, matter is around that living creature, matter is everything that creature is and everything that creature is not.

My questions are the following:

Given that the definition of what religion calls God and what science calls Matter is the exact same, is matter God? Is God matter?

Is what we call God, really matter? God is a hard consept to describe and so is matter.

I don't know the answer to these questions and I don't expect anyone to know, but whatever the answer it surely would be very interesting.

On the other hand, why do humans have an urge towards the spiritual?

Every civilization, group of humans, advanced or backwards have some form of spiritual belief, with a central God or the notion of Gods. Why is this the case? Why are we drawn to these beliefs, beliefs that may be different but all revolve around the notion of God or Gods?

If matter is God, and matter is in all of us and everything as Science has proven, then God or matter, is truly our spiritual being that we yern for so much and given that we are made up of God or matter, this perfectly explain the human urge to please some form of super natural being that we all sort of know exist, but given the hardship involved in proving this, we often attempt to distance ourselves from such notion of a God existing.

And guess what, as we use Science to "distance" ourselves from the notion of a God existing, Science is now giving us hints of the exact same description religion gave us when describing God, except that in Science we give it a different name.

What an interesting finding.

I think this is one of those questions that I know the answer deep down inside, but given the fear or inability to fully prove it, I would refrain from fully answering my very own questions, but I think what I have "discovered" here merits some extra attention from religions and scientific leaders of all kinds.

Is matter God? Is God matter?

Hmm...