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Old 01-28-2003, 05:40 PM
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Default Mexicana's ambition to create a Hub in SDQ

First of all I would like to ask all forum users to talk here only about subjects. Insults and personal conversations are not welcomed.

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I remember that Pan Am announced that they were about to create a huge hub for their operations, like bringing passengers from USA and then transferring them I don't know where. They wanted to have like 5 o 7 planes based in SDQ, this all was pure bluff.

Today I see some messages that describe Mexicana's plans to create a hub in SDQ. Like they want to have 3 or 6 gates and operate transatlantic flights. Well my question is:

From where they will bring passenger to this hub and to where they will carry them?

It doesn't make sence to create a hub for mexican passengers, nobody will fly from USA on MX to catch a plane to Europe here.

So, what is this all about?
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Old 01-28-2003, 07:08 PM
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So Aviastar,

Wel why you think Pan American Airways, Aero Continente, Lan Chile (planned and announced) and also Mexicana want a hub in SDQ

Santo Domingo is geographic the best to stop over as follow:

South America >> Santo Domingo >> Europe, North America
Central America >> Santo Domingo >> Europe, Caribbean
North America >> Santo Domingo >> Caribbean, South America

Santo Domingo is the center of de CONTINENT America

not only Aeromar, Aero Continente and Mexicana have planning to fly to Europe check other airlines thats operating to Dom Rep the peoples from every part in South America and Caribbean wants to go to Europe and have a stopover in Santo Domingo no direct flights up to 15 hours.

So if you cant understand the best to do is waiting till you understand, i think the most peoples understand it WHY? a hub in Santo Domingo.

If you dont know the history of Dominican Aviation i will tel you why.

Mexicana owned 3 gates of the new north terminal (B)of Santo Domingo Las Americas International Airport "Jose Fransisco Peña Gomez"
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Old 01-28-2003, 08:22 PM
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Dear Samana1.

Thank you soooooo much for this polite way to explain me that I am stupid. Actually I've seen the map, I know where SDQ is located. That was not my question at all, you did not understand the whole point

I am wondering why are they so sure that it's needed, you say that all people in South America want to fly with stopover in SDQ, it seems like they are eager to do it, perhaps strike in Venezuela is about flying with stopover here, well it is easy to say so. You tried to convience me lately that everyone wants to fly on BQ, I believe in facts, economic statistics and digits. Allow me to inform you that flying with stopovers is a higher price for operations, on the other hand SDQ airport is not a hub, it has no hub infrastructure yet. There are no such a flight as 15 hours from South America to Europe. BUE-MAD operated by 747 is less than 12 hours. Remember that all flights that depart to Europe are scheduled to leave between 6 PM and 11 PM, so is it so cool to land the plane at SDQ like at 3 AM, will passengers thank you for it?

You know, the statitsics say that passengers like to fly on direct flights, if you don't know the reason of existence for hub - I'll tell you. It exists to help people to get better connections. For example if we don't have direct flights SDQ LAX SDQ because there is no such a demand, we use MIA as a hub for AA, any passenger that arrive to MIA can use a connection to get to any destinations served by AA from MIA. So it is not about resting in airports like SDQ, it is about connections.

To be able to fill the plane SDQ LON for example, MX should have like 7-10 destinations to be operated from SDQ to South America, remember that all these cities must be served the day when Transatlantic segment is operated, so how many planes are we using? If there is a such a high demand for that route from there they can do it. But in the reality if there is a demand there is a service offered, aviation is not Aeromar, it was not established in November 2002

ONLY A HUGE AIRLINE WITH MANY DAILY FLIGHTS AND MANY DESTINATIONS can organize a HUB! Nobody cares about what does passenger wants, it is all about money. The era of hubs is in the past, today all airlines work in alliances. Any Lan Chile passenger can arrive to MIA and then from there use any AA flight, the fare, schedule and all the process will be as if he is flying on the same airline. All connections now are based on ALLIANCES.

I am not talking about Aviation History of Dominican Rep, before planes such A340 didn't exist, the market is changing, the way to fly is changing too.

Remember that Mexicana is a part of STAR ALIANCE, MX has fares to points she never flies, but they can sell MEX-DUS anytime and for cheap, the stopover in MIA and then LH will carry the passenger. Fare basis is agreed between two carriers.

So if you want to have a HUB here, call the alliances and construct the descent terminal for connections.

HUBS are in pre-history now, who will have a double job when one flight from Panama for example will be delayed and 200 passengers will be already onboard of the plane SDQ LON, hum?


Samana, please start thinking about aviation as a descent manager, not as an amateur fan.

Thank you for your attn.

I would like to ask professionals to review my opinion, I'll be gladt to see some views.
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Old 01-28-2003, 08:24 PM
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Samana1:

in easier way , especially for you:

Technically you can sell jeans and shoes right at the entrance of the theatre, the question is: Who will buy them there?
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Old 01-28-2003, 08:45 PM
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And I forgot to mention to you some numbers.

For example the route BUE LON BUE has the lowest fare 666 USD, operated by Varig via Brazil. British Airways offers 684 USD for direct flight. United offers 700 USD via their hub. Over european carriers offer their low options: AZ, UX, LX, KL, LH

How much will you calculate your option BUE SDQ LON SDQ BUE, remember that almost the same fare will cover BUE SDQ BUE?

Hub works when you connect the following:

longhaul+short
or
short+longhaul

There is no such a profitable connections as longhaul + longhaul, remember that all routes with demands have more offers thn they can stand, now when the war with Iraq will happen airline business will lose everything it has. Actually hubs are served for destinations that has no direct services to the cities where this particular hub has daily services. A good example of the hub is:
TYO-NYC on AA and then NYC-WAS, here it will work. In our local case it could be for example Maracaibo-SDQ-LON, but how many passengers are ready to depart from MAR to LON? Is that enough>
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Old 01-28-2003, 10:37 PM
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Right on the money. Forgot to mention that for a hub to work you need at least 9 strong domestic markets. Let's see, hummm...I don't think we have 9 domestic destination.. Oh well... Now what you can do, is create a Gateway destination which is a little more feasible in the DR with the help of tourism.
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Old 01-29-2003, 12:09 AM
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GRS, what are you talking about, in according to some posted messages people want to fly with stopovers in SDQ. Soon flights TYO NYC will be diverted to SDQ to please passengers

The problem is that it is difficult to find some real experts in aviation in our country. The maximum level of special education here is ADAVIT "Curso para agentes de viajes" that has 3 months. I'd like to see somebody with special aviation technical education, like someone who attended aviation institute like I did
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Old 01-29-2003, 10:48 AM
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also caribbean star/sun want a mini-hub in SDQ, are 5 international airlines.

PD: lo digo en spanish, muchas veces los agentes de viajes no conocen bien el mercado aereo, y ese es el plan de Aerodom y el gobierno de convertir a SDQ en un gateway por su buena posicion geografica.
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