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    I have been on that flight Santo Domingo Havana 5 times and I felt uncomfortable every time. Next time I go to Havana from Santo Domingo I will fly with Copa via Panama thats for sure.

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    Hey Everyone!
    Sometime ago I have posted reply to this thread, it never showed – have no clue why. I am former Polish Airlines “LOT” employee and believe I know exactly what have happened to Chhrimoya’s plane.
    Link below explains all in details (page was made by me):
    Atribute to flights LO-5055 and LO-007

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    I am Polish and found this forum only by accident while Googling materials about IL-62s - however couldn't stop myself from adding few words. Detailed explanation of engine failure of light LO-007 is in my opinion exactly what have happened here. Its hard to say why result is different than it was in case flight 007. Perhaps luckily turbines pieces exploded not in engine and vital parts of fuselage direction (which pictures of engines and You Tube Video on my page seems to suggest). Perhaps crew was able to shut engines in time, and turbine disintegrated as engine was already slowing down,…
    Last edited by sean01; 09-17-2008 at 02:55 AM.

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    Scary stuff.


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    VIDEO: Picture Says A Thousand Words.

    Polish TV documentary (transmitted in Polish TV) dedicated to flight 5055 (Video uploaded to YouTube) with English captioning done by me.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/wUE1MwrEUpY - situation in Poland. Start of plane.
    http://www.youtube.com/v/TsFfjTW_BQc - account of failure
    http://www.youtube.com/v/0cuXKDhuYGY - final moments
    http://www.youtube.com/v/OvG9NkoHmjE - investigation, causes of failure

    If you’re not Polish, first part may feel bit boring.

    There is also a additional documentary dedicated to flight 007, as well part 2 documentary dedicated to flight 5055 - which I didn't translated (so far).

    If you flying IL-62 as a pilot or passenger MAKE SURE YOU WATCHED PART 4 “CAUSES OF FAILURE”.

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    Really wouldn’t like to spam this thread with my posts, however since I know lots of people are still visiting my links after finding it in this thread (have page visit statistics which show it), because old post cannot be edited (to make changes), as well because I killed some previously given links - one more time:

    LINKS TO POLISH TV DOCUMENTARY ABOUT FLIGHT 5055 DISASTER (English captioning done by me)
    http://www.youtube.com/v/gA2VreFdjuA - situation in Poland. Start of plane (might feel bit boring if you not Polish)
    http://www.youtube.com/v/bAfUjey547Q - - account of failure
    http://www.youtube.com/v/oSkRARVVTQU - final moments
    http://www.youtube.com/v/2hbVni9zPNA - - investigation, causes of failure

    DOCUMENTARY PART 2 (newly added)

    http://www.youtube.com/v/vglneVqpBBw - flight commented again by two LOT captains
    http://www.youtube.com/v/wCmlEKatOgU - Air Force pilots accounts, causes of disaster
    http://www.youtube.com/v/OCnYuX5mBwY - unexplained second explosion and in later part - causes of disaster and denial of fault by manufacturer
    http://www.youtube.com/v/AqTmqel-7RU&hl=en&fs=1 – journalist’s accounts, missing stewardess

    Again if you or your loved ones fly on IL-62, if you are passenger, pilot or airline decision maker, MAKE SURE you have watched parts 2.3, 2.2 and 1.4


    What video will show is that IL-62M has engine defect causing them to explode – known for at lest over 20 years now (possibly longer). There were two Polish Airlines IL-62M which crashed in 80-ties (as well number of other before and after throughout the world) - both planes crashed for the same reason. Russian (now and Soviet than) manufacturer continuously denies its fault in disasters, even its actions shows that they are aware of their engine’s fault.
    What however I find personally shocking, is that it seems engine defects were never fixed to satisfaction, perhaps not at all, despise that their defects are known for so long and that they have caused so painful loss of life!
    In my opinion account given in this thread by cherimoya and gapaliz on YouTube (see link below) is consistent with what happened on flight 007 and 5055 20 years earlier in Poland.

    YouTube movie of what I assume (comments are in Spanish) is after flight inspection done by either ground technician or crew member of flight mentioned in this thread:
    YouTube - IL-62 EN SANTO DOMINGO (newly added)


    PS.
    I added crew records, as well translation to transcripts of entire record of cockpit voice recorder and radio communication of flight 5055. Direct link to transcript here:
    FULL TRANSLATION OF ENTIRE RADIO ATC COMMUNICATION OF FLIGHT 5055 PLUS RECORDS OF VOICE RECORDERS FROM COCKPIT. (newly added)
    Main tribute and flight account page here:
    tribute
    Last edited by sean01; 09-26-2008 at 03:20 PM. Reason: monir changes

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    Default Skippy1 you are wrong here

    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy1 View Post
    wow the pictures are very scarey. Looks like either a bird strike or a broken blade caused this damage.
    If its any consolation this would not happen like this on a Rolls Royce or GE engine as they are designed to withstand this kind of incident.

    So before you board check the name on the engines......anything secondhand from Russia is going to be suspect in my book.
    Skippy1
    Sorry, Skippy1 but I would not agree with you on this.
    Just look at the fact.
    Comparable airplanes to the Russian Ilyushin-62 are Boeing 707 and Douglas DC-8. You can check the accident statistics on these three planes to find find out which plane is safer to fly. Statistics shows that the Ilyushin 62 is more safer than DC-8 and Boeing 707 taken alltogether.

    Boeing 707 had been involved in 56 crashes: Accident Database: By Manufacturer/Type > 707
    Douglas DC8 had been involved in 139 incidents, including 83 hull-loss accidents, with 2,256 fatalities: Douglas DC-8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Aviation Safety Network > ASN Aviation Safety Database > Aircraft type index > DC-8 > DC-8 Statistics

    The Russian Ilyushin-62 had been involved in 12 crashes: Accident Database: Aircraft Crash Details > Ilyushin IL-62

    You can check the accident statistics on many Russian commercial airplanes and compare them with Boeing. You will see that Boeing airplanes had been involved in more accidents (with fatalities) than the Russian's.

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    OK, but how many russian crashes were actually reported? Do you really think that russian stats would be accurate? Maybe from 1999 to present they MIGHT be, but before then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leromero View Post
    OK, but how many russian crashes were actually reported? Do you really think that russian stats would be accurate? Maybe from 1999 to present they MIGHT be, but before then?

    In the soviet times the aircraft crashes were not available to public but it does not mean they were not reported or presented for pilots and technical personell to discuss the reasons of the crash in order to take measures to prevent them from happenning in the future. As soon as a crash occurred the pilots and ground personell were informed about that. The crash was entered into a database. In other words, the only defference between the Soviets and the West in this respect was that the crashes were not allowed in the news media. Even though, you know, it was hard to hide a crash where hundreds of people died. The knews about crashes were spreading across the country by the word of mouth and was not a secret to anyone.

    After the collapse of the Communists all crashes in the Russian accidents database were open to the Russian and international public. This information now can be found on many websites which provide this sort of information.
    Last edited by Scott12; 09-29-2008 at 09:36 AM.

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    Really wouldn’t like to make impression I’m hostile and thanks Scott for comments, however we all do respect, can you really vouch for it, that public was really informed about all crashes instead of only being told it was? Indeed lots of information was freed, especially during Gorbachev “Perstroika”, still in many respects to some information it seems Russian government never completely came on clear.

    What about Soloviev D-30KU engine? Would you be able to quote any official Russian source about problem in those engines? I checked crash records from AirDisaster.com site. There are large numbers of Aeroflot crashes where page says “information unavailable”.

    According to Polish Disaster commission member account of colonel Milkiewicz, after publicizing report and receiving response from Russia, problem was discussed on highest government level in Moscow (between USSR and Polish People Republic than), where in very “manly discussion” Polish part was “out voted”. Colonel was present on meeting (as member of commission which produced report) and released afterwards from his function of Chief Engineer of Polish Air Force. About his release he learned from mouth of soviet officer. Meeting must happen in 1987/1988.

    I checked Soloviev page on Internet. There is no record of “D-30KU” in its records at all, as if it never existed (yet that’s exactly what today’s IL-62M use). There is lots of information and “superb achievements of Russian technology”, about engines used on Mig-31, there is record about D-30 which were installed on TU-134 BEFORE IL-62M – however none about D-30KU.

    I also, with all do respect, not completely agree with you in regard of power of spreading news, despise informational embargo. I know that during numerous strikes and street demonstration of 40 years of existence of Polish People Republic, where often 10 of thousands of people were involved, even to some degree news about them spread through unofficial means, at the same time there were also huge bodies of people in nation TOTALLY unaware ANYTHING happened.
    I can easily see as some crashes which might happen in some remote republics and Syberia could have been easily blocked from public knowledge – even today. Another thing is that unreliability or falsifying information is often not only result of state policy, but also because of local apparatchiks and even level workers involved, scared about their careers, which have vital interest for true to never see daylight.

    Soloviev factory in today Russia has vital interest about not admitting and falsifying information – due to possibility of civil litigation in regard to past and future crashes of IL-62 which still flies.

    What really angry me however is not that much really are they admitting it or not, but that they are treating human life cheap. That even after 20 years of knowledge of defects they are still allowing people to fly on unsafe planes.

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