Anthony santos in dolce

[laurapasinifan]

there in lies a missconception.....in a crowded pasion night club with Tono Rosario singing and every seat in the house occupied... who is worried about anything this white guy is doing?
no one!!!

no one there cares about the white guy!!! they are not embarrased by him..all the people NOT there, dont see this white guy there... and you know what...I bet i just blended in on the crowded dance floor.

I am not embarrasing anyone...

none of the people there will go find you and mention I was there and that they were embarrassed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really believe there is more to this than uppityism

I really think you cannot pull the dominican whore-house-strip club-nightclub out of the gorund and plop it down in america next to the closest thing they may have there... and say they are anything like each other.

for one the dominican PEOPLE in general embrace the concept of the whore house in their country...I said in general...

why do you think Cabanas are such a hit and over booked on weekends...it sure aint from TOURISTS

there isnt anything in america like cabanas!!!!!!!!!

it is a dominican thing

if youn keep talking super elite top of the dominican society...they may look down on this, but the general population doesnt care...or accepts it...

granted..it is a whore house at times.... but when these concerts happen...it really becomes somethign else

but whore houses are legal in the DR.. they are not in maerica

in Amsterdam whore houses are legal.....the world doesnt HATE Amsterdam!!!!


there are things that are accepted in dominican society that are NOT accepted in american society..

but some people keep trying to compare the 2

peace brother!! ha ha ha

how about some more beach pictures!! ha ha

schemantics at its best I imagine

bad very bad bob

[AnnaC]

And who's fault is it that these performers are appearing in these venues and taking advantage of us stupid tourists?

These are tourist traps making us think we are going to see a singer or a band and all the while they are just whore houses?

What's a whore house anyway, can one rent a room and a whore while watching the show?

Someone is taking advantage of us and we're getting blamed for it.

[Sholly24]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lu

How can you tell the difference between an expat and a 2 week tourist?

My point is that a tourist who visits 1-2 weeks and an expat who lives there 24X7 have different issues to deal with. Over a period of time, an expat will have a grasp of the social system and structure, develop a group of peers (both domininican and expat) who share similar values and is more conscious of what his/her peer group think of his/her actions. An expat has all the time in the world to wait for the next Anthony Vargas concert in a place of his/her choice.

A tourist is entirely different. Does not spend enough time to fully grasp the culture,does not have all the time in the world to wait for a concert at a place of his choice, does not have any peer group in the DR so is not conscious about what anyone thinks. I think you guys need to be talking to your fellow expats that live there on certain issues and not to tourists

Originally Posted by Mr. Lu

As per doing what you want as long as it doesn't affect others? There is truth to that, but what you take for granted in your country of origin can be taken as an insult here (and vice versa) and most visitors either aren't aware or could care less of this. At the end of the day you (expat or tourist) are still a visitor. I ask, would you put your feet up on someone's table, even if you allowed yourself to do it in your own home? Probably not. So don't "put your feet up" in "my home."

Your point is well understood but I am talking about a tourist deciding to watch Anthony Santos in PASION which is a legal establishment which is frequented by dominicans. I am not talking of doing things that dominicans do not do in their country or being rude and ignorant.

If you put your feet up in your house and a friend came to visit you and did the same thing, what would you do or who would you blame?. You have a right to tell someone how to live in your house but at the same time, you need to set a good example as to how you want people to live in your house.

Sholly

[cobraboy]

Originally Posted by laurapasinifan

if youn keep talking super elite top of the dominican society...

I have not once even come close to that unsinuation. Ever.

[laurapasinifan]

I dont think the tourist are driving the country down with embarrasment....

especially from places like Pasions and Illusions

because I have maybe seen one other gringo in those places..it is 99.99% dominicans who are the clientel

I did see a group of asian business men once..

hey I am not fighting for the benefit of these places..I just dont agree with who people say only go there... and I object to having my GF called a puta for going..

if there were any decent acts playing any place else the nights we went to pasions, for sure we would have chosen the other venues

we OBVIOUSLY are not there for the whores...

I really dont see how thes eplaces have recieved so much negative posting when the consensus seems to be that places like Sosua are the magnet for the tourist looking for whores...

but it seems to be accepted.....and many DR 1 ers go there often....

and apparently are not soooo ashamed!!

A gringo on Pedro Clisante
or a gringo in Illusions

which is worse

which is more noticable

which happens about 1000 times more often than the other?

bad bob

[lollipop]

OMG!!!! what's the big deal with going to "Night Clubs" that happen to be whorehouses as well to see a show? just make sure you go with men if you're a lady, that's all, believe me nobody would think you're one of the girls that work there because of they way they dress.

For all of you people that know my country so well let me tell you: as long as the place is expensive enough it doesn't matter if you go or not.

Just make sure nobody sees you picking up a cheap whore out at the street or in a cheap and ugly 'burdel'. As long as it's an expensive one everything is fine.

About the ones complaining about being here just for a few days and wanting to see the artist so bad it doesn't matter the place, well: do what I do when going to the states and wanting some concerts in my itinerary: go online and check the artist calendar when planning your trip!

There are plenty of websites here (in Spanish of course) that have upcoming activities calendars for most of the nice nightspots, that's how I stay updated since I don't spend much time in the same town.

[AZB]

First of all, pasion is all the time a whore house and only once in a while, a concert hall; yet puta business is still going on in the back. The whores there are not there to see the act, they are also working but since there are so many non clients as compared to clients for putas, no one notices.
Yes we have these places here as cabanas but you will hardly see any decent dominican willing to enter pasion to see tono rosario when he can wait the next day and see him in a different bar.
Speaking of cabanas: why do you think you see guys coming out of cabanas alone in cars yet they are talking to themselves? Hahahaha, yes, you guessed it, the girl is hiding on the flloor of the car. So decent dominican girls are also not very proud to be seen going in and out of cabanas, but often, they have no choice. They can't sleep with a guy at home in front of parents.
Now about reputations of gringos: Its been damaged beyond repair , many years ago. Dominicans expect us to go to whorehouses or dating barrio girls, even hookers from sosua. This is a done deal. They are surprised to see us with a respectable girl, when we are seen in public with one. You guys going to pasion to see tono is not helping. True the white gringos have the worst reputation but in general, all foreigners are expected to be seen with hookers in public places. You don't believe me? Just go to sosua but forget about sosua. Just come to TGI fridays in santiago and see who is with whom. A gringo is always with cheap barrio girls, trying to pass her for a "dama". Seems sad at times, yet dominicans look the other way, because this is whats expected.
How many times patients ask me if I came to DR beause I fell in love with a morena.
Dominican yorks have equally tarnished their reputation by supporting whore houses and carwashes. Almost every dominican york who comes to santiago, religiously goes to pasion and casa blanca etc. They are surprised to see we won''t go there. They laugh at us. Say this is a dominican thing. Hahahah. how wrong. This is a dominican low life thing not a dominican thing. No wonder dominican yorks are called "joe" here.
There is nothing we can do to stop you folks from doing what you all do when on vacation but just learn to live with the impression you folks give to the general respectable population of this country. Of copurse if one only socializes with barrio folks or dominican yorks who drive jepetas, then one will begin to think, 90% of dominicans are like this and this is what is considered a social norm here.
Nope, all wrong. This is why we have the society folks vs the barrio.
AZB

Ps. Why do you think Ambis disco was so popular with visitors and dom-yorks? yes, you have guessed it: the whores were working full time in the back bar area.

Another P.S. Anthony santos is being advertised all over santiago on billboards, dolce mayo 31, saturday. They may not advertize in barrios becuase their target clients don't live there. Dolce is advertising it all in major avenues of santiago.

[lollipop]

Originally Posted by AZB

-Just come to TGI fridays in santiago and see who is with whom. A gringo is always with cheap barrio girls, trying to pass her for a "dama".

-Seems sad at times, yet dominicans look the other way, because this is whats expected..

-That's so true and such a ridiculous situation.

-That's not expected. The only thing is that we Dominican tend to judge everybody by their companions and if a man specially an old one is 'dating' a young little thing that looks totally out of place then we'll immediately assume he's her sugar-daddy and it has nothing to do with where the guy is from.

The thing is most of the Dominican guys that do this have the common sense of not being out and about with the girl and tourist tend to do exactly the opposite which is hilarious and pitiful.

But I don't see what that has to do with a tourist going to Passion to see a local artist play.

[laurapasinifan]

Originally Posted by AZB

Another P.S. Anthony santos is being advertised all over santiago on billboards, dolce mayo 31, saturday. They may not advertize in barrios becuase their target clients don't live there. Dolce is advertising it all in major avenues of santiago.

well I bet it is a first....that dolce advertised for a big act...tell me this has another act similar to Anthony Santos ever played Dolce yet?

heck the club is barely a year old

I havent been in santiago in a month, but when i was there I went into Santiago almost every day....no signs ever for Dolce.

My girlfrind lives in the campo, not a barrio and they dont have signs there either... the signs are all on route 1 and route 14 (Duarte) which isnt the barrio either.....two of the most heavily travels roads in the greater Santiago area....

also tell me has any big act ever played at Tribecca????

the place is smaller than Dolce I think... I dont know how they could get an act in there...

(but then again they get acts into Roadway in Playa Dorado which is smaller than all of them)

The acts dont play too many different places

andy ranch , pasion, Ilusions, Monte Bar, Las Vegas......some small name acts play at the big resturant near the monument

the club out off of route 1( between Santiago and the airport) where they have a lot of the high school proms( cant remember the name but El Torrito played there....a big venue... the biggest in Santiago that I have seen..)

where else in Santiago do the big acts play???

I think this is new for Dolce....no?

bob

[AZB]

Bob you have proved yourself that you don't live here. To answer your question, big name artists and small name artists regularly play at dolce (formely known as Baja club), tribecca and francifol cafe. I have seen artists as big as sergio vargas to as small as krisspy at the above mentioned clubs. yes they do advertise their shows on juan pablo duarte, 27 de feb. and elsewhere. They even hand out flyers to poeple in ahibar and other places where some quality people go. They will not give out flyers to guys and girls in andy's ranch and in montebar to invite them to see a show in francifol cafe. Just 2 different worlds in one city.
AZB