Hot Head Dominican stereotype...

[NY1]

Once again is confirmed by one of our own!!

Texas Rangers reliever Frank Francisco was arrested Tuesday morning after he threw a chair into the right-field box seats, hitting two spectators in the head and leaving one with a broken nose, during Monday night's loss to the Athletics.

Francisco was arrested on a charge of aggravated battery, a felony. The fan whose nose was broken, an unidentified woman, also suffered cuts to her face.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1881073

I understand sometimes one gets caught up in the moment, but WHAT IN GOD'S NAME WAS HE THINKING? It seems sometimes when our players are seen for what they are, great ballplyers, something happens to set us back a bit.
Whether its the Sosa cork thing, or Danny Almonte thing or Carlos Perez going ballistic on a water cooler, something always seems to happen that gives Dominican ballplayers a black eye.

[yankpapi]

Originally Posted by NY1

Once again is confirmed by one of our own!!

Texas Rangers reliever Frank Francisco was arrested Tuesday morning after he threw a chair into the right-field box seats, hitting two spectators in the head and leaving one with a broken nose, during Monday night's loss to the Athletics.

Francisco was arrested on a charge of aggravated battery, a felony. The fan whose nose was broken, an unidentified woman, also suffered cuts to her face.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1881073

I understand sometimes one gets caught up in the moment, but WHAT IN GOD'S NAME WAS HE THINKING? It seems sometimes when our players are seen for what they are, great ballplyers, something happens to set us back a bit.
Whether its the Sosa cork thing, or Danny Almonte thing or Carlos Perez going ballistic on a water cooler, something always seems to happen that gives Dominican ballplayers a black eye.

You are very right about that. I always see the Dominican players as very hot-headed. They're the first to glare you down when they get hit or come close to. Manny Ramirez is very hot-headed. Dominican pitchers such as Pedro and quite a few others dont give a damn about hitting someone and then they give the attitude. Ive seen it in other cases too.

Everytime I see a Domincan-started brawl, I say: "Haha, gotta be the Dominican.

[BushBaby]

Originally Posted by yankpapi

You are very right about that. I always see the Dominican players as very hot-headed. They're the first to glare you down when they get hit or come close to. Manny Ramirez is very hot-headed. Dominican pitchers such as Pedro and quite a few others dont give a damn about hitting someone and then they give the attitude. Ive seen it in other cases too.

Everytime I see a Domincan-started brawl, I say: "Haha, gotta be the Dominican.

It is a good job this thread has to remain Dominican related otherwise I might be tempted to ask what you say when US players start a baseball brawl? Perhaps you have something to say about the British Football fans that start fights, the Latin Countries (No, ALL countries) football players that get uptight & start throwing fists during a game? Then there are the Canadian hockey players, Australian Rules Football players, Cricket players, Rugby Football players .................... the list is endless!! Dominican players are no better/no worse than most of their counterparts!!! Violence ON & OFF the playing field is (regrettably) becoming part & parcel of the game to create an interest that would otherwise not be there!! - Grahame.

[yankpapi]

Originally Posted by BushBaby

It is a good job this thread has to remain Dominican related otherwise I might be tempted to ask what you say when US players start a baseball brawl? Perhaps you have something to say about the British Football fans that start fights, the Latin Countries (No, ALL countries) football players that get uptight & start throwing fists during a game? Then there are the Canadian hockey players, Australian Rules Football players, Cricket players, Rugby Football players .................... the list is endless!! Dominican players are no better/no worse than most of their counterparts!!! Violence ON & OFF the playing field is (regrettably) becoming part & parcel of the game to create an interest that would otherwise not be there!! - Grahame.

You are very right. Especially with soccer (futbol). Players and fans are the most passionate and even most violent people in the world. I was just talking about baseball. In BASEBALL the Dominicans TEND to be a little more fiery.

[BushBaby]

Originally Posted by yankpapi

You are very right. Especially with soccer (futbol). Players and fans are the most passionate and even most violent people in the world. I was just talking about baseball. In BASEBALL the Dominicans TEND to be a little more fiery.

I will let those who know more about this peculiar game respond to your allegation, but I suspect you to be in error! I think it is possibly because there are more Dominican GOOD baseball players that it APPEARS to be that they start the brawls more often (on a ratio basis it is probably 50/50) because the press make more headlines this way!! Interesting to note that Dominican players here in their home country don't seem to behave this way, could it be something to do with the pressures put on them when they start playing in the US??? - Grahame.

[yankpapi]

Originally Posted by BushBaby

I will let those who know more about this peculiar game respond to your allegation, but I suspect you to be in error! I think it is possibly because there are more Dominican GOOD baseball players that it APPEARS to be that they start the brawls more often (on a ratio basis it is probably 50/50) because the press make more headlines this way!! Interesting to note that Dominican players here in their home country don't seem to behave this way, could it be something to do with the pressures put on them when they start playing in the US??? - Grahame.

1st of all, pressure has nothing to do with it.
2nd of all, the headlines NEVER point out that they are Dominican and thats why they act up.

They just happen to be Dominican(the ones that like retaliating)

Peculiar game?

[BushBaby]

Originally Posted by yankpapi

1st of all, pressure has nothing to do with it.
2nd of all, the headlines NEVER point out that they are Dominican and thats why they act up.

They just happen to be Dominican(the ones that like retaliating)

Peculiar game?

Yes, ...... a MOST peculiar game! Borrowed from the gentlemanly game of cricket I believe (& THAT is boring too!!).

As mentioned before, I am not the best one to argue the points you raise on this game as a) I am not Dominican, nor a baseball fan AND I don't live in the US, & b) don't see the US Papers to see what it is the sports writers say on these brawls!!

I would certainly suggest however that it has EVERYTHING to do with pressure. The amounts of money involved for players these days indicates that pressure is a daily occurence - a state of daily life for ALL good players! By being "Aggressive" the players make themselves more noticeable & therefor receive more interest from managers at transfer time! Managers might even be condoning the outbursts as they promote more interest in the club which equals more seats sold!!

You say that the Dominican players "Retaliate"! That means that someone else makes the initial error/act of aggression, that causes the "Dominican Baseball players" to RE-act? THAT in itself says quite a lot - is goading of Dominican players a part of the game too???

Just to keep this Dominican related, I say again ......... Baseball down here in the DR does NOT have these outbusts (& here it is 95% Dominican players on the field) so why up there in the States?? Pressure or Money or 'Expected'??? Come on you guys that know something about the game, let's get YOUR views on this. I am WAY out of my league, whether it be American, National or Dominican league!!! - Grahame.

[yankpapi]

Originally Posted by BushBaby

Yes, ...... a MOST peculiar game! Borrowed from the gentlemanly game of cricket I believe (& THAT is boring too!!).


As mentioned before, I am not the best one to argue the points you raise on this game as a) I am not Dominican, nor a baseball fan AND I don't live in the US, & b) don't see the US Papers to see what it is the sports writers say on these brawls!!

I would certainly suggest however that it has EVERYTHING to do with pressure. The amounts of money involved for players these days indicates that pressure is a daily occurence - a state of daily life for ALL good players! By being "Aggressive" the players make themselves more noticeable & therefor receive more interest from managers at transfer time! Managers might even be condoning the outbursts as they promote more interest in the club which equals more seats sold!!

You say that the Dominican players "Retaliate"! That means that someone else makes the initial error/act of aggression, that causes the "Dominican Baseball players" to RE-act? THAT in itself says quite a lot - is goading of Dominican players a part of the game too???

Just to keep this Dominican related, I say again ......... Baseball down here in the DR does NOT have these outbusts (& here it is 95% Dominican players on the field) so why up there in the States?? Pressure or Money or 'Expected'??? Come on you guys that know something about the game, let's get YOUR views on this. I am WAY out of my league, whether it be American, National or Dominican league!!! - Grahame.

I dont know what you are talking about and obviously, you dont either. If you dont know about it then you cant talk about it. You said your not U.S. or D.R.

Therefore your opinion is void.

Now off with you!

[bienvenido]

Folks, not matter what might have caused Francisco outburst, his action is unacceptable. Players draw millions of dollars to give the fans a show so it should be. They should not go to ball park and feel threaten by the action of a few ball player. As a ball player myself, I was alway told that not matter what the fan say to you, they alway right, that is, "the customer is alway right"; they the one who actually pay your salary. Let not estereotype here, Dominican as well as all sport player are aggressive these days. Folks, I seem Dominicans ball players beating a fan overhere so hard that the guy has to be put in intensive care for a month. OK DR players feel a little be stigmatize, so what. In conclusion, fan deserve all the fun they can get, and when they become out of line, call security. Personally I blame sport authorities for that incident. They should educate players on a daily basic, and severely punish those who cross the line.

[Mr_DR]

originally posted by yankpapi,

I dont know what you are talking about and obviously, you
dont either. If you dont know about it then you cant talk
about it. You said your not U.S. or D.R.

Therefore your opinion is void.

Now off with you!

Yankpapi,
you need to respect people's opinion in this board
and have a little more respect for them,look at how many
posts bushbaby has over you
and he is right about the fact that there is significantly
a large amount of dominicans playing baseball in the major
league and they have been playing for years before you
were probably born and is understandable that there is
always gonna be someone the is gonna be a little contro-
versial here and there because nobody is perfect.

There are way over 300 dominican baseball players in the major league
and no matter how many millions they make they will not be perfect
and i am sure they know that consequences comes with everything they do.

stone cold