Dominicans and Puerto Ricans

[DarkDreamer]

Originally Posted by FuegoAzul21

i feel obliged to respond to this one, now , maybe you have never been insulted , harrased , made fun of,even attacked for showing pride in for being what you are by another hispanic group , probably most PRs dont , but most Dominicans (at least the ones in the tri-state area) do , so that is something you have to keep in mind when you read some of the posts . Also , you have to understand that PRs do have a superiority complex when it comes to Dominicans ,especially when they are the majority , now dont get me wrong i ve had plenty of great expeiriences with PRs and know that there are more good PRs than bad . You just have to look at it from our point of view, a people not too differant from us but tryin to put us down when we try to shine , and the problem is that PRs are the only ones we get this from (depending on where you live).i know this , I LIVED THIS !!!!!! , and still do to some extent. however , im not one to place all PRs in this category and i dont , its like you said "the rotten apples"

As a matter of fact my friend I have been insulted,made fun of and attacked bu another hispanic Group I must tell you that my First visit to DOminican Republic did not leave the greatest impression on me we were going to stay in La Romana and while we were in the bus( it was a big group big family what can I say) we stopped for some presidentes for the guys and while we were parked all I saw was a bunch of people giving me the finger for no reason whatsoever calling us "Puercorriquenos" Y Sin Bandera. However this did not scar me, i went back and I have grown to love the culture of DR and its people.My friend you might believe that Puerto Ricans are not attacked but we are more constantly attacked by other hispanic groups than the average because we are related to the US because they question our Culture because they believe we should ashamed of not having a nation to call our own. and of course of having benefits that other hispanics don't. You know we are contanstly trying to defend our culture yes and we do have a rich culture (new geration is not doing to well to represent but its very alive still) just like you guys do. We feel pride in being who we are in our language and traditions and that at least for me is what is important. Now regarding the comment of:
"you have to understand that PRs do have a superiority complex" I dont at least, so your statement would be false giving that by saying Puerton RIcanS DO have a superiority complex you are implying that all of us do, which is completely untrue. There might be some, but let's get rid of these generalized steryotypes it is not the overwhelming majority its more so majority of ignorant people. By making statements like this we are forever creating stigmas and esteryotypes onall kinds of people. Oh dear and I dont beleive PRs are the only ones talking about Dominicans i have heard plenty of cubans and mexicans doing so, therefore we can conclude that no race is free of guilt when it comes to prejudice,racism and critizism I have heard it from everyone about anyone...I dont know about you guys..but I believe it's very true.

[deelt]

Fuego,
While I respect your opinion you are speaking from your own experience. The irony is that from my perspective I have only receive such negative treatment from Dominicans themselves...so go figure. PRs for the most part have shown me nothing but love. It's my own people I worry about the most.

On the whole I am with Lesley on this one.
D

Originally Posted by FuegoAzul21

You just have to look at it from our point of view, a people not too differant from us but tryin to put us down when we try to shine , and the problem is that PRs are the only ones we get this from (depending on where you live).i know this , I LIVED THIS !!!!!! , and still do to some extent. however , im not one to place all PRs in this category and i dont , its like you said "the rotten apples"

[FuegoAzul21]

Originally Posted by DarkDreamer

As a matter of fact my friend I have been insulted,made fun of and attacked bu another hispanic Group I must tell you that my First visit to DOminican Republic did not leave the greatest impression on me we were going to stay in La Romana and while we were in the bus( it was a big group big family what can I say) we stopped for some presidentes for the guys and while we were parked all I saw was a bunch of people giving me the finger for no reason whatsoever calling us "Puercorriquenos" Y Sin Bandera. However this did not scar me, i went back and I have grown to love the culture of DR and its people.My friend you might believe that Puerto Ricans are not attacked but we are more constantly attacked by other hispanic groups than the average because we are related to the US because they question our Culture because they believe we should ashamed of not having a nation to call our own. and of course of having benefits that other hispanics don't. You know we are contanstly trying to defend our culture yes and we do have a rich culture (new geration is not doing to well to represent but its very alive still) just like you guys do. We feel pride in being who we are in our language and traditions and that at least for me is what is important. Now regarding the comment of:
"you have to understand that PRs do have a superiority complex" I dont at least, so your statement would be false giving that by saying Puerton RIcanS DO have a superiority complex you are implying that all of us do, which is completely untrue. There might be some, but let's get rid of these generalized steryotypes it is not the overwhelming majority its more so majority of ignorant people. By making statements like this we are forever creating stigmas and esteryotypes onall kinds of people. Oh dear and I dont beleive PRs are the only ones talking about Dominicans i have heard plenty of cubans and mexicans doing so, therefore we can conclude that no race is free of guilt when it comes to prejudice,racism and critizism I have heard it from everyone about anyone...I dont know about you guys..but I believe it's very true.

i do agree with you but as a person who has raised in the states (NJ) this is what i have encountered and i say again I DO NOT BELEIVE MOST PRs ARE LIKE THIS , of course ive gotten it from other groups , but its never been as harsh and as intense as its been from PRs ,thats one of the things im trying to point out .Dominicans are guilty of this too ,but not as extreme about it like PRS( ive seen it get extreme), and you also forgot that , i said that i have noticed it dying down considerably in the last 5 years , all this im talkin about is when i was a little kid and an early teen , since then i ve havent seen it too much (probably because there are alot of other hispanics now in the area) and i feel Dominicans have earned considerable respect compared to back in the day .so i dont want everybody on this forum thinking that i hate prs , have a grugde against them, or resent them ,because i dont .I ve had plenty of PR friends ,girlfriends, teamates, even some family members ,that i have great relations with. I was tryin to show people how i feel about how the situation used to be and maybe in some places of the usa ( i dont know for sure,but there is a good chance),still is.

[FuegoAzul21]

Originally Posted by deelt

Fuego,
While I respect your opinion you are speaking from your own experience. The irony is that from my perspective I have only receive such negative treatment from Dominicans themselves...so go figure. PRs for the most part have shown me nothing but love. It's my own people I worry about the most.

On the whole I am with Lesley on this one.
D

were you raised in the usa ? , you ever lived in a PR neighborhood( i havent but im askin you)and went to school there? if so , and you say that you have recieved nothing but love ,i must say ,u r a rare case ,but not an impossible one.Another thing i forgot to mention that if ur are a Dark skinned Dominican , the insults and humiliation come more frequent because you fit the stereotype of Dominicans , which is what the people hate , so the hate is directed toward you , If your a light skinned Dominican you will not encounter it as much (from my expeiriences) , also , PRs from the island tend to be less ignorant then the ones from the states , i assuming you ve delt with older more educated people so the ignorance probably wasnt all there.

[sonny]

Hey Kami,

I don't know if this helps or not, but Lesley mentioned something earlier which made sense to me. Puerto Ricans and Dominicans have so much in common that they try to differentiate themselves. I was born in India and its the same thing in India vs. Pakistan. I have many friends who are Pakistanis. Our language, food, culture is almost the same; there are some differences due to religion but that's about it. One on One people get along, but the group (maybe mob) mentality is different. Maybe your paper should include many different nations and not just PR and DR??

[kami]

Originally Posted by DarkDreamer

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Ok Kami I am going to be very honest... but you cannot expect an unbiased response in a board that belongs to only one of the ethnicities mentioned. You came to a Dominican Republic board. do you trully beleive that if the ones holding the grudge were Dominicans(and im not saying they are) they flat out would admit it? no it's a pride thing. YOU cannot notice that the Puerto Ricans hold the grudge towards dominicans because Hello dear you only asked Dominicans if you trully are doing some type of research you should know by now that there are 2 variables in a research and both of them should be researched. You cannot conclude something out of the response of maybe 7 ppl.
Personally I believe that these grudges stem from personal experiences. Of course some Puerto Ricans don't like DOminicans some of them have had actually some low life DOminican that came in a yola marry their sister just for citizenship and then left her with 3 kids and ran off to NY...You know but must people generalize the Dominicans because of these bad experinces and don't realize that it was just a rotten apple that fell from the tree and that not all domincians are that way. Then you have the Puerto Rican who believes hes better than Dominicans and only lives off welfare and the Dominican has a bad experience with him and he generalizes all puerto ricans. It neverending cycle if u ask me and then one person tells the other and we end up with these generalized steryotypes from both part. I do not beleive there is one to blame they both are.

ps. I am my dear Puerto Rican and it actually amazes me some of the comments on this board. I know is not an overall majority of the DOminicans who make stupid comments about PR's but some posts I have read here are Highly disrespectful, but I got nothing but love for my brothers in DR. I have had my bad experiences with some but I know they are just like I said before rotten apples. Just like us PR's

okay i respect ur comment it's solely on your opinion and i agree... it is some, as you say, "rotten apples", and i am sorry if any of these posts offended you. i truely believe that a person's point of view stems from threir experiences. As for the research... i am not only basing my research based on this thread because i do know that it is a Dominican site. I also posted one on a Puerto Rican website if ya want you guys can go to it: www.PuertoRico.com... i know that i can not base my results on this itself because then it would not b fair to me or my research like you said there should be 2 variables and that is exactly what i am doing. i need both sides opinion right? all in all though thanx for your comment i really appreciated it...

[kami]

i agree that no race is free from guilt. everyone has their own prejudices against another group. oh yea can you explain, if you don't mind, the whole thing about cubans and mexicans? did you mean they have a grudge on eachother or you overhear them speaking about dominicans?

Originally Posted by DarkDreamer

As a matter of fact my friend I have been
insulted,made fun of and attacked bu another hispanic Group I must tell you that my First visit to DOminican Republic did not leave the greatest impression on me we were going to stay in La Romana and while we were in the bus( it was a big group big family what can I say) we stopped for some presidentes for the guys and while we were parked all I saw was a bunch of people giving me the finger for no reason whatsoever calling us "Puercorriquenos" Y Sin Bandera. However this did not scar me, i went back and I have grown to love the culture of DR and its people.My friend you might believe that Puerto Ricans are not attacked but we are more constantly attacked by other hispanic groups than the average because we are related to the US because they question our Culture because they believe we should ashamed of not having a nation to call our own. and of course of having benefits that other hispanics don't. You know we are contanstly trying to defend our culture yes and we do have a rich culture (new geration is not doing to well to represent but its very alive still) just like you guys do. We feel pride in being who we are in our language and traditions and that at least for me is what is important. Now regarding the comment of:
"you have to understand that PRs do have a superiority complex" I dont at least, so your statement would be false giving that by saying Puerton RIcanS DO have a superiority complex you are implying that all of us do, which is completely untrue. There might be some, but let's get rid of these generalized steryotypes it is not the overwhelming majority its more so majority of ignorant people. By making statements like this we are forever creating stigmas and esteryotypes onall kinds of people. Oh dear and I dont beleive PRs are the only ones talking about Dominicans i have heard plenty of cubans and mexicans doing so, therefore we can conclude that no race is free of guilt when it comes to prejudice,racism and critizism I have heard it from everyone about anyone...I dont know about you guys..but I believe it's very true.

[kami]

Originally Posted by sonny

Hey Kami,

I don't know if this helps or not, but Lesley mentioned something earlier which made sense to me. Puerto Ricans and Dominicans have so much in common that they try to differentiate themselves. I was born in India and its the same thing in India vs. Pakistan. I have many friends who are Pakistanis. Our language, food, culture is almost the same; there are some differences due to religion but that's about it. One on One people get along, but the group (maybe mob) mentality is different. Maybe your paper should include many different nations and not just PR and DR??

i was trying to base it on a whole but my professor wants me to narrow it down to a specific topic. if i do base it on different nations then it would be a lengthy paper and i have to stick to his guidelines. i also do not want to be overwhelmed by all of the information that goes along with it... since i am both PR AND DR i decided to do it on this because i have seen this and experienced this myself. thank you for posting.

[DarkDreamer]

Originally Posted by kami

i agree that no race is free from guilt. everyone has their own prejudices against another group. oh yea can you explain, if you don't mind, the whole thing about cubans and mexicans? did you mean they have a grudge on eachother or you overhear them speaking about dominicans?

WHat I meant by that is that yes I have heard plenty of other hispanic group talk bad about DOminicans..but what I meant as a whole point is that Hispanic groups specially in the USA talk about each other...Mexicans talk about Dominicans Puerto RIcans Salvadorians and so do Cubans and Puerto RIcans and Dominicans and every other ethnicity out there...

Oh and Kami I saw your post at PUertoRIco.com I also noticed that no one has replied so far. Maybe just in my opinion you can phrase it better? I mean you said that you are doing a research on PR and DR but you didn't say exactly about what...maybe you should include the Racial tension between these 2 groups or discrimination between these ethnicites? that should spark a response you don;t have to do it is just my opinion but I trully beleive it would help you.

[kami]

Originally Posted by DarkDreamer

WHat I meant by that is that yes I have heard plenty of other hispanic group talk bad about DOminicans..but what I meant as a whole point is that Hispanic groups specially in the USA talk about each other...Mexicans talk about Dominicans Puerto RIcans Salvadorians and so do Cubans and Puerto RIcans and Dominicans and every other ethnicity out there...

Oh and Kami I saw your post at PUertoRIco.com I also noticed that no one has replied so far. Maybe just in my opinion you can phrase it better? I mean you said that you are doing a research on PR and DR but you didn't say exactly about what...maybe you should include the Racial tension between these 2 groups or discrimination between these ethnicites? that should spark a response you don;t have to do it is just my opinion but I trully beleive it would help you.

thanx for the revision LOL