Tell A Friend   Advertising Information  Contact Us  

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   DR1 Dominican Republic Forums > Forums > Dominicans Abroad
Register Blogs FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Chat Room

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 01-05-2005, 09:48 AM
Gold
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,273
johne Level 2 (61)
Default Dominicans take their place as an American success story.

Today's New York Times (education section) above titled article. One half page written by Samuel G. Freedman. Maybe someone can help with a link to the article.

JOHN
  #2  
Old 01-05-2005, 11:12 AM
DR1
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 4,412
Dolores Level 2 (71)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by johne
Today's New York Times (education section) above titled article. One half page written by Samuel G. Freedman. Maybe someone can help with a link to the article.

JOHN
Link is http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/05/ed...education.html

Probably only viewable today, tomorrow one may need to register.
  #3  
Old 01-05-2005, 11:55 AM
Gold
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 538
Chris_NJ Level 1 (20)
Default

Great article, I will definitely forward it on. The best point the author makes is of the of how despite limited education by parents many Dominicans are making higher education a priority whereas others “adopts the most self-destructive attitudes of poor, urban America.’’ The question is as the years and generations go by which group will prevail in shaping the image of a Dominican American.
  #4  
Old 01-05-2005, 04:20 PM
Bronze
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 29
jaredhobbs Level 1 (10)
Default

Here's a transcript of the story for those too lazy to register...

Dominicans Take Their Place as an American Success Story
By SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN

Published: January 5, 2005

BETTE KERR made sure to arrive at the restaurant early so she could arrange for the waitress to give her the check. There was no way she was going to let a former student, not even one as successful as Mirkeya Capellan, pay for lunch.

They had been talking about this reunion for six years, since Professor Kerr had retired from Hostos Community College in the Bronx, and as Ms. Capellan had gone from a bewildered new immigrant to an information-technology consultant with a master's degree and a Mercedes sedan.

No sooner did Ms. Capellan reach the table, though, than she blushingly admitted she had left something back in the adjoining bar. She skittered off, and returned a moment later with the missing article - 17 other Hostos alumni who had secretly gathered to thank both Professor Kerr and a faculty colleague, Lewis Levine. All but a handful of the celebrators had come to America, like Ms. Capellan, from the Dominican Republic.

During their student days, Professor Levine had taught them in his intensive, accelerated course in English as a Second Language. He required them to read The New York Times and visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art and explore the culinary mysteries of Zabar's. He pretended not to know Spanish, even as he understood every curse they uttered when he returned an essay covered with so much red ink the students called it an arbolito, a little Christmas tree.

Professor Kerr had gleaned the best of Professor Levine's progeny and, as director of academic advisement, trained them to be peer advisers to other Hostos students. She had all those rules, about not chewing gum or wearing jeans, and the only excuse for missing her Tuesday afternoon session was death. When it came time for Professor Kerr's protégés to finish their associate's degrees and apply to senior colleges, she alerted them to scholarships and wrote recommendation letters so eloquent that several students ultimately framed them.

And on this festive Saturday shortly before Christmas, they surrounded her. There sat Robinson de Jesus, the son of a barber with a second-grade education, now working as a corporate auditor. Nearby was Fenix Arias, who arrived in New York at age 17 in 1993 knowing only a few English words from a Dominican pop song. These days she is the director of testing for York College in Queens.

Beyond its poignancy to the participants, this reunion touched on a much larger phenomenon. It attested to the striking and yet unheralded success of Dominican immigrant students in higher education, and specifically in the City University of New York system, that legendary ladder of upward mobility for earlier waves of newcomers.

All but invisibly to much of Anglo society, the percentage of Dominicans age 25 or older with some college education more than doubled from 1980 to 2000 to 35 percent of American-born Dominicans and 17 percent of Dominican immigrants, according to a new study by Prof. Ramona Hernandez, a sociologist who directs the Dominican Studies Institute at CUNY. (For all Americans, the percentage with some college is 52, the study found.) These accomplishments occurred even though, of all the ethnic and national groups in CUNY, Dominican students were from the poorest households and had the least-educated parents.

Clearly, however, those parents are investing their children with some classic immigrant aspirations. "We came here to make it," said Professor Hernandez, who moved to New York herself in her late teens. "When we leave home, we really leave. This is it for us. You have this immigrant courage, energy, desire."

Parents who work at draining jobs for meager wages - janitors, cabbies, seamstresses, hairdressers - point to their own toil as the fate their children must avoid. A popular Dominican aphorism, mindful not only of low-wage labor but the presence of some Dominicans in drug-dealing, makes a similar admonition. "No quiero ser una más del montón," it says, which translates as, "I don't want to be part of the pile."

Ms. Arias remembers her father's rewarding her with $10 and a dinner of the savory soup known as sancocho for every A on her college transcript; he cried on the day she received her acceptance as a transfer student to Columbia University. Mr. de Jesus's father took such pride in Robinson's graduation from Baruch College that every afternoon for a month before commencement exercises he would put on his only suit.

In the 39 years since the United States reopened its doors to large-scale immigration, it has become sadly routine to hear and read criticisms of these arrivals from Asia, Africa, the Caribbean Basin and Latin America as somehow more clannish, less devoted to America and the English language than their European forebears in the period from roughly 1850 to 1920. Any cursory look at the nativist lobby's publications and Web sites would lead one to believe that post-1965 immigrants, especially Hispanic ones, present nothing less than a threat to the republic.

BUT if it is accurate to call Korean immigrants the new Jews - a largely educated, urbanized population in its homeland that rapidly surged into higher education and the professions in America - then the Dominicans may be the modern-day equivalent of the Italians. In this case, the peasantry has come from the Cibao valley or the Santo Domingo barrios instead of the Mezzogiorno, but the upward mobility through public education and small business follows the same trajectory.

As Professor Hernandez's survey suggests, the concern about Dominicans should be not that they Americanize too slowly but too fast, or perhaps too selectively. Between 1980 and 2000, even as Dominican immigrants became more likely to earn a high school diploma, the share of American-born Dominicans whose formal education ended with a high school diploma dropped markedly - from about one-third to one-fifth. More students either dropped out or moved up. Those numbers tell a chastening story about what happens when the immigrant drive doesn't lift a family into the middle class and the next generation adopts the most self-destructive attitudes of poor, urban America, about how doing well in school is just for chumps.

"When people said, 'You can't make it,' I wanted to show them," Ms. Capellan put it. "My first year at Hunter College, I was pregnant, and people would say to me: 'Too bad. You're like my friend's daughter. She never went back to school.' But I told myself, 'No way.' "

E-mail: sgfreedman@nytimes.com


http://jennyhobbs.spymac.net
http://jaredhobbs.spymac.net
  #5  
Old 01-05-2005, 08:41 PM
Ken Ken is offline
Gold
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,208
Ken Level 1 (45)
Default

A heart warming article.

At one time Dominicans were welcome immigrants to the US and the percentage of Dominicans given visas and rsidency was very high for the size of the population. The DR was in the top ten world wide.

Then the tide turned and Dominicans got the reputation as criminals and drug trafficers.

It seems from this article that the tide is turning again and I am very glad to learn of it.
  #6  
Old 01-05-2005, 09:36 PM
Gold
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 12,319
Hillbilly Level 8 Hillbilly Level 8 Hillbilly Level 8 Hillbilly Level 8 Hillbilly Level 8 Hillbilly Level 8 Hillbilly Level 8 (705)
Default Prof. Hernández seems to indicate a contrary view

to many "established" beliefs regarding Latino immigrations.

Many anthropologists, sociologists and historians look at the Latino immigration as the same type as the immigration of the Spanish who came to the New World to make a fortune and return to the Madre Patria to show off their new-found fame and fortune.

In general, I would say that this is true, for the most part, for Dominicans today. They go to New York to make money-oftentimes anyway they can-and return to build huge palaces in the barrios where they were born and raised, and walk around with a pistol in their belts and gold chains on their arms and necks and ankles...(yes, the women do it too,.) There are even bachatas to attest to this theme.

Hernandez's study seems to say that the educated Domincans are going to make it there and stay there. This would be interesting to study down the line.

HB
  #7  
Old 01-06-2005, 10:38 AM
Gold
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 631
Stodgord Level 2 (71)
Default I can relate to the characters in the NY Times article.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hillbilly
to many "established" beliefs regarding Latino immigrations.

Many anthropologists, sociologists and historians look at the Latino immigration as the same type as the immigration of the Spanish who came to the New World to make a fortune and return to the Madre Patria to show off their new-found fame and fortune.

In general, I would say that this is true, for the most part, for Dominicans today. They go to New York to make money-oftentimes anyway they can-and return to build huge palaces in the barrios where they were born and raised, and walk around with a pistol in their belts and gold chains on their arms and necks and ankles...(yes, the women do it too,.) There are even bachatas to attest to this theme.

Hernandez's study seems to say that the educated Domincans are going to make it there and stay there. This would be interesting to study down the line.

HB
I can relate to the characters in this story.

My Parents came to the US in the mid 80s and were able to bring their 4 kids within a year. My mom only has a first grade education and my father a third grade. When they came here they were janitor (father) and housekeeper (mother). On back to school season, they shopped at the local thriftshop for our back to school clothes. My mother, although her education was minimal, she always emphasized on education. Today, my oldest brother has a degree in computer science and is a senior network administrator for Deutsch bank, my second older brother, although not working in his field, has a bachelor in finance, my little sister has a degree in Math and work for JP Morgan Chase as a financial consultant and I have a degree in Mechanical Engineer and I am currently a lieutenant in the US Navy.

My parents and my siblings are naturalized US citizen and I have never heard them say they will take all their earned money back to the DR. We love this country and the opportunities that has given us. Some other Dominicans call us "vende patria" but I tell them, everything we have is because of the US and not the DR. Many times I ask myself "If this dark skinned immigrant who speak English with an accent made it, why a white american, fluent in English bum could not."
  #8  
Old 01-06-2005, 10:58 AM
Silver
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 212
Fred Level 1 (10)
Default Good for you

This is something I have never been able to understand. Why would anyone be loyal to a country that cannot even give them the basics in life, let alone opportunity?

Sometime I feel that Dominicans want to go back only to show off to their friends and family, like I have said so many times before, they will encounter the same problems that they left to escape in the first place.
  #9  
Old 01-06-2005, 11:55 AM
Silver
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 142
hugoke01 Level 1 (10)
Default Drugs and Immigration

A lot of the palaces built in the RD by Domincans seem to be related to people related with drugs at least this is what the proper Dominicans tell you .when visiting places like Jarabacoa or others where wealthy people like to settle ..In Spain more and more Dominicans get involved with drugs .. It's a pity but it's true .. Those who really succeed would stay where they are and it's a pity too. I like to congratulate the family who came to the US had 4 children and all 4 studied and have great jobs now. I really find this great ..But on the other hand these are the kind of people the RD needs to get out of their image of criminality and drug paradise .. but I understand them . Also a lot of immigrants return for their vacation with as mentioned gold chains etc... and they look as if they made it it but the reality is quite different in many cases .. These people spent during their vacations all the money they made and return as poor to the US as if they went for the first time .. It's a big show ... When speaking or discussing about the RD believe that we can't forget to talk about drugs... When you get rich in the US today you need really a good job .. I do know that people who work (manual work ) in the US are paid between 11 and 15 USD an hour ..This makes you a netto pay of 1,300 to 1,500 USD a month .. You can built a mansion with this salary .. There are for sure immigrants who make a lot of money ifthey are excellent commercial people but the majority works in anormal job..
I have been visiting the US since 1970 and spent last year 4 months (partially in thearea of New York and Nemphis and the only observation I made wa that in the US normal people (workers ) are poorer and poorer .. and in general the first who suffer are the immigrants doing jobs nobody wants to do at salaries nobody finds attractive ..
Once more like to congratulate the parents of these 4 choldren who made it in the US.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hillbilly
to many "established" beliefs regarding Latino immigrations.

Many anthropologists, sociologists and historians look at the Latino immigration as the same type as the immigration of the Spanish who came to the New World to make a fortune and return to the Madre Patria to show off their new-found fame and fortune.

In general, I would say that this is true, for the most part, for Dominicans today. They go to New York to make money-oftentimes anyway they can-and return to build huge palaces in the barrios where they were born and raised, and walk around with a pistol in their belts and gold chains on their arms and necks and ankles...(yes, the women do it too,.) There are even bachatas to attest to this theme.

Hernandez's study seems to say that the educated Domincans are going to make it there and stay there. This would be interesting to study down the line.

HB
  #10  
Old 01-06-2005, 12:25 PM
Gold
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 631
Stodgord Level 2 (71)
Default

Thanks for your complements.

I myself cannot coprehend the attitude that my compatriots take when it comes to visiting the homeland. These people borrow money from loan sharks that will charge them 5 to 10 % a WEEK in interest. They will buy all these jewelries and clothes with loaned money. When they get there they give away everything and get involved in shady land deals. It is sad that they are teaching their kids how to be materialistic.
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


The contents of this webpage are copyright © 1996-2008.  DR1. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO