Dominicans and the Crack culture.....

[easygoin]

Originally Posted by Scandall

I don't have to walk in a drug dealer's shoes to know he is a scumbag. Nor do I care about his bills. Helping yourself by ruining the lives of countless others is never excusable. It is the easy way out. Plenty of people in the same situation choose other paths.

Scandall

Come on just give her a break.... she never said he used them.

[RHM]

Originally Posted by easygoin

Come on just give her a break.... she never said he used them.

#1) I am pretty sure that Joshua is a "he".

#2) I commented on dealers. Not him.

Scandall

[easygoin]

Originally Posted by Scandall

#1) I am pretty sure that Joshua is a "he".

#2) I commented on dealers. Not him.

Scandall

#1... my comment was made whether it was he or she.

#2... I despise sellers or users.... he or she.....get it.

[tht]

Originally Posted by Joshua R

hey when the going gets tough and theres no other way you gotta do what you gotta do to feed your family

Is that why he invented crack, to feed his family?!?! Possibly the most ridiculous statement I've seen on this board.

[Joshua R]

accually nah he invented it by accident by then he was already making enough but after seeing the profits he decided to go along with it. i mean who will like to giive up all of that money?

[RHM]

Originally Posted by Joshua R

i mean who will like to giive up all of that money?

Anybody with a conscience.

Scandall

[hollywood north]

OK-Scandall, sure you can disagree with what I said. But you perhaps have misinterpreted.

I don't believe it's right EITHER....BUT having been in a pretty low situation myself at one point, when holding only a minimum wage job (if you can get one) means you are thrown out on the street, I can understand WHY someone would do something like that. I am not saying it's RIGHT!!!!! And there are other things (legal/illegal) that one can do before resorting to being a crack dealer. And frankly if I knew someone like that, I would get as far away from them as I could.

Examining the underlying reasons WHY people resort to such activity, and putting programs and systems in place so that this does not feel like the only alternative(yeah I know-to you it isn't one and that's fine) is far more effective than just throwing more and more people in jail IMO. Socialist? perhaps.

Sorry if this is off topic too much-but it's easy for people to sit in judgement. Scandall, I am glad your parents believed in hard work, etc...so do mine....but I think you also have to look at the era. There are big differences between then and now. By that I mean many of the 'options' that people choose today were not in existence then. We have technological and scientific advances, and along with that growth comes, sadly, 'advances' in underworld activity.

There's always going to be someone that wants to make big money fast.

Thank you

[Frank the Tank]

I really can'y understand how anyone can justify and excuse making and selling crack. Just take a tour of the south bronx and see the damage it has wrought and the lives it has destroyed. How anyone with a conscience, morals and respect for their fellow human beings could do a such a thing is beyond me. There's a special place at the lowest and hottest level of hell for those that sell that poison.

[La La Land]

Walk in THEIR shoes before you judge CRACK DEALERS????

Crack dealers KILL people SLOWLY, RUIN FAMILIES...Mine included!

My Dominican husband was on COKE, then CRACK for 20 or so years that he started in NY City when he first arrived from the DR as a naive young man. Only this last year he has CLEANED up his act and is doing great. IT IS HORRIFIC what drug dealers do for money....

WALK in ONE of your drug dealer's CLIENTS shoes before you say your relatives had no choice???

Try selling cars or being a janitor like some HONEST people do to live if you have no education or real career path...Drug dealers are lower than the lowest on the human food chain and I wish them all ill will as they are scum. They ruin lives to line their pockets so they can drive hoopty cars and wear excessive amounts of BS jewlery and gold capped teeth..I have confronted many a dealer in the past 8 years of trying to clean my Dominican man up and they are sad excuses for human beings..Really the government should give all the drug dealers the death penalty because they only kill people and families to make an easy buck..

Actually how many drug dealers do you know that live to be a ripe old age that are not in prison?? Most die young or in prison which is the way it should be..If I were relatives of a drug dealer I would crawl under a rock rather than brag that my family was such low life scum bags..but that is me. I come from an educated hard working middle class family who no members even smoke cigarettes...Sorry your family had to resort to ruining lives to "LIVE"...Hopefully you are better than your relatives... PAM

The only reason I did not get to move to the DR in 2002/2003 was because my drug addicted husband got into trouble and was on probation..If anyone has had an experience with a crackhead they will know the problems the families have to endure..And my husband was only the occasional crack user like 1-3 times a month...He could have money in his pocket and not do crack but once in a while he would smoke $10-$20 of it and lose his mind..REALLY until you see the damage crack does UP CLOSE and PERSONAL you have no idea the price families pay for such a SORRY habit to have.

[samanasuenos]

I can not bring myself to write in defense of crack dealers or any type of drug dealers.

That said, it is easy for people who have not lived in the hood to jump to conclusions.

Of course, if YOU (middle class white man or woman) moved to the hood, knowing what you know and having the role models and privledge and parental support that you have experienced, of course YOU would chose another method to earn money.

You would also bring with you a notion of delayed gratification, commitment, and sacrifice, as well as memories of them having worked for you and others that you know.

The lure of dealing drugs does not exist in a vaccum. For poor young males, many African American -- or Dominican, drug dealing is attractive in the ABSENCE of good role models. Very few neighbors, if anyone, are showing them how to escape the shackles of poverty.

If THE ONLY RICH GUY YOU KNEW was a sports icon and the other was a drug dealer, the only one, are you SO sure that you would not turn to dealing? (Mayeb after your dream of sports turned sour...)

Don't you think they KNOW the probability of death before age 25, what is it now 1 in 3 for a young black/hispanic dealer?

I read the obits for tens of young black/hispanic men that I went to schol with. Some of them were in my algebra class in middle school, a few ran track and played ball, some went to college for a short time, before risking their lives for easy drug money.

It is very easy to judge these folks when we live outside of their world and can not even fathom what it is like. It is easier to judge them when we did not know them as small boys, neighbors, brothers, boyfriends or sons.

May I suggest that we save our loathing for the next level up - the Dons who sell to the dealers ,and to their big daddies. Those guys must be suit guys. Maybe they're posting on this board and condeming the little street warriors.

Selling drugs on that level is the inexcusable job. Back off of the young street corner dealers and focus your energy on alternative ways to get them out of poverty.

Done with my vent, bring on the raw eggs and rotten tomatoes! -suenos