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Old 08-13-2007, 01:57 PM
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It won't happen right now,

and btw tango is much older than bachata.
Ok, then perhaps we can continue this conversation 50 years from now.....

Yes, I know the Tango is much, MUCH older than bachata.

Talk to you in 50......To be continued......
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:19 PM
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Here's a couple of videos on Bachata and Tango

YouTube - Sensual Bachata=

YouTube - Tango Argentina=


I don't think we'll see bachata reach the status internationally that the tango has.

At least not in our lifetime

I'll be a traitor here and say that I love Salsa best as well as watching it danced. YouTube - Yanek y Diana - Cuban style Salsa= It's so intriguing.

Here's a slower version YouTube - Israel Gutierrez Performance=
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:28 PM
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[quote=AnnaC;547181] I'll be a traitor here and say that I love Salsa best as well as watching it danced.

[quote]"Take a number" as I am the number ONE traitor as I like Salsa more than all other genres PUT TOGETHER, including Merengue!!.

But back to the topic.

MAR, you may want to try a Julio Iglesias old CD, (late 90's), "Tango". It's pretty good.

Roger and OUT!!!!.
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:48 PM
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Anna, thanks for the videos - loved the bachata one the most!!
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:02 PM
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I don't think we'll see bachata reach the status internationally that the tango has.

At least not in our lifetime

thanks a lot Anna

Let me object respectfully, but I think it is possible, bachata has reached mainstream in a short time and if it keeps up, of course it can be accepted and danced by many in more classy places.

Last night there by the water and under the nightsky, and the skyscrappers you're saying the wine and the ambiance got to me????
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:10 PM
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But back to the topic.

MAR, you may want to try a Julio Iglesias old CD, (late 90's), "Tango". It's pretty good.

Roger and OUT!!!!.
You mean to tell me that you would still call it "crapchata" after watching that video of the bachata sensual dancers. Didn't you feel something that kept you watching, that's exactly how I felt when I was watching those tango dancers last night, when the woman would run her leg down the man's leg and he would pause just to feel it, it was magic, very sensual, just beautiful, just like that couple in the bachata video dancing to aventura's bachata.
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:20 PM
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I thought women were born with that ability~!
We might be all born with certain abilities but some people keep on working on their skills and some don't. A Cuban friend told me that people don't need a reason to dance in Cuba - it is done everywhere and at any point in time. But have you seen people dancing on the street in the US? I have never noticed. I actually only first went to a place in the US where people dance several years ago although I have been here for 11 years. Back home we used to dance at any family gathering and it is normal for girls to take dance lessons at least twice a week.

Do you guys think that in the US people dance salsa and bachata differently from the native countries, in some sort of "Americanized" way?
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:23 PM
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Every place dances it a different way... But if you take dance lessons for Salsa - most can follow ON 2 dancing.
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:45 PM
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In my opinion, tango particularly the Argentinean tango as opposed to ballroom tango and International tango, is in a league of it’s own. It includes a wider spectrum of emotions, movements, and variations. It's can be refined, restrained, full of tension, playful, saucy, flirtatious, seductive, insolent, menacing, violent, pensive, sad, remorseful, submissive, reconciling, transcendent and more. I can't say that about bachata, although I love bachata. There are some fine dancers who take it to a whole new level, but I’ve met many men who just don’t like bachata music or dance and they vacate the dance floor and make room for the few people who dance it really well and the majority who just dance the more mundane version of it while they chat up their partner. I've taken Argentine tango lessons and I find it very challenging (no hips!? what’s up with that?!). I’m hopeless at it, unless the guy really constrains me. I don’t follow tango very well. But it’s still on my To-do list, as I really admire it. I never had the opportunity to dance with any extraordinary bachata dancers when I was in the Dominican Republic, where I imagine bachata takes on a whole new form of expression. So for that reason, I’ll keep my mouth shut (...for a change and listen to your thinking MAR.) I was imprisoned in Bahia Principe Rio San Juan. Although I did dance with one chubby bus driver in the 6:30 AM breakfast buffet just before leaving. Thanks to Johnnie, I look fat guys who drive buses in a whole new way.

Here in Toronto, my best bachatas were with one Peruvian guy, a huge Maltese guy, a short little Mexicano, a very handsome Polish guy who is elegant but takes up too much room on the dance floor and an Italian who exaggerates that little hip thing (“down, up-down”). All the salsa dance studios offer bachata and other dances in 2-day workshops at various levels, so there are many non-Latin salsa dancers who are discovering it. But most of my Latino dance partners, don’t really like bachata, although most Latin I know do. I was going to say that if Latin people don’t love it, it will never catch on like tango. But then I thought of the Argentineans that I know who don’t dance tango and that blew my whole argument. I think I need more research.

Yes, gringos/gringas dance a more choregraphed salsa IMO. We didn't grow up with it and you have to remember that most of us don't even understand the lyrics, so that has to influence our dancing. But there are some amazing ones out there, who can follow anyone Cuban, Colombians, Puerto Ricans, Venezuleans and they add tango, flamenco, afro-cuban styling and belly dance to the salsa. But really for the musicality, ritmo and playfulness, we gringas all love dancing with good Latino dancers. But there are a lot of Latin salsa dancers who are pretty boring, doing the same moves over and over again. But it's a social dance after all, and sometimes people take it too seriously. Toronto is mainly On1 with On2 growing in popularity among more advanced dancers.
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:55 PM
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. I was going to say that if Latin people don’t love it, it will never catch on like tango. But then I thought of the Argentineans that I know who don’t dance tango and that blew my whole argument. I think I need more research.
This could be true, last night there were mostly white and asian, I mean they could have been Argentinians, there were even two asian men dancing!!!
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