Why do most Dominicans blindly prefer Hillary over Obama?

[gemenilaidback]

Yes I am a graduate school in history...but I might have added that wrong when I went back to check the dates of senator Obama's years in office (sorry I am arrogant but not perfect...yet). Never the less even if they are too different animals..he still has just about the same political experience and he worked alot in the public service sector. While she worked on the board @ Wallmart that says alot to me as I don't know that I would work in the public service sector after Law school with his school credentials??? I would want to do something like that to help people but man that says alot about ones character. There are not alot of Lawyers helping ones below them with an ivy league Law degree. I will admit though all politicians are crooked.

I do agree though at least I am analyzing all of the information and even if you are for Hillary at least we did analyze things before we said oh I am going with this person he is a person of color or she is a woman...to me it is so archaic. At one time I even liked Mccain. (remember him with trying to battle soft money and pork projects that was admirable.). That was until the neo cons got on his case (Cheney types)and he changed alot of is views....I am actually pro life (even the against the death penalty being Catholic) and pro family...Obama represents those things to me. I dont think one has to be Republican to represent those values as some believe..

[gemenilaidback]

By the way I didn't post to battle three people I just wanted to balance some of the statements made in here thats all...not create enemies. I wasn't trying to be rude to anyone...I think we have all grown up form that state. Sometimes I will make grammar mistakes too this is fun compared to my papers I write which require perfection.

[El sabelotó]

Originally Posted by gemenilaidback

I do agree though at least I am analyzing all of the information and even if you are for Hillary at least we did analyze things before we said oh I am going with this person he is a person of color or she is a woman...to me it is so archaic. At one time I even liked Mccain. (remember him with trying to battle soft money and pork projects that was admirable.). That was until the neo cons got on his case (Cheney types)and he changed alot of is views....I am actually pro life (even the against the death penalty being Catholic) and pro family...Obama represents those things to me. I dont think one has to be Republican to represent those values as some believe..

Changed a lot of his views? I hate to keep picking on you, but let's set the record straight:

McCain-Feingold Act, or the BRCA (Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act), is the law of the land. You can look it under McConnell v. FEC.

[Chip]

Originally Posted by gemenilaidback

I do agree though at least I am analyzing all of the information and even if you are for Hillary at least we did analyze things before we said oh I am going with this person he is a person of color or she is a woman...to me it is so archaic. At one time I even liked Mccain. (remember him with trying to battle soft money and pork projects that was admirable.). That was until the neo cons got on his case (Cheney types)and he changed alot of is views....I am actually pro life (even the against the death penalty being Catholic) and pro family...Obama represents those things to me. I dont think one has to be Republican to represent those values as some believe..

You present yourself as being knowlegeable but you may want to reconsider what it means to be pro life and pro family. The current Democratic party is nether.

[El sabelotó]

Originally Posted by Chip

You present yourself as being knowlegeable but you may want to reconsider what it means to be pro life and pro family. The current Democratic party is nether.

Compadre, let's be serious now. A pro-choice stance does not translate to pro-abortion and anti-family.

[Chip]

Originally Posted by El sabelotó

Compadre, let's be serious now. A pro-choice stance does not translate to pro-abortion and anti-family.

I think it is fairly established that pro life is the opposite of pro choice. Also, pro family has a different meaning altogether.

I'm not disputing people's rights to believe as they want, but this person's comments are all across the board and it appears they really aren't familiar with the terms nor the real history of the claims they are making.

The real reason why Bush won the last two elections was because of the support of the pro life and pro family voters, so it makes no sense that someone with such a stance would be leader who represents a party that is pro choice and anything but pro family.

The person says they are Catholic, but I am too, so maybe they really don't know what it means to be Catholic. Here in the DR, I have noticed a lot of people say they are Catholic but never seem to go to church - but do have a nice gold chain with some religious figure and a nice collection of candels at home.

Again my point isn't to castigate this person for their beliefs, only have them investigate more fully the terms they are using with such apparent reckless abandon.

[El sabelotó]

Originally Posted by Chip

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The real reason why Bush won the last two elections was because of the support of the pro life and pro family voters, so it makes no sense that someone with such a stance would be leader who represents a party that is pro choice and anything but pro family.

Amigo, this is debatable: lots of issues with Bush v. Gore decision; and for 2004, well, Diebold machines in Ohio and stuff.

Of course, the MSM never served the real news but Hawaiian Punch and Minute Maid

[gemenilaidback]

"with such apparent reckless abandon" Chip Chip Chip...that was insulting and mean wasn't it to imply I do not know the meaning of what I say???...I do know what these terms mean but I am a critical thinker therefore if I believe in one value this does not mean I am particular about every point in being pro-life and pro-family. Also many a conservative claim to be pro-life and many are almost always "pro death penalty " which to me negates the entire value.

Also how can anyone say that they are pro-life and support that war in Iraq...not counting the Iraqi deaths the American soldiers killed in this conflict is outstanding or even dismembered. To me what many parties should stand for and what they do are two entirely different things. If every party stood for what they say...I would be for the one which is pro business and government having a hands off policies.

Also it is very easy to be pro choice when you are a man. Thats all I am going to say about that one...this argument could go on all day if we are arguing each particular point of being pro-life.

I dont know what it means to be Catholic (is that what you are implying by my ideas)...wow Guiliani must not either with a group dedicated to him called Catholics against Guiliani (with his mistresses and anti catholic antics). I am a confirmed member of the Catholic church unlike most who have never endured that sacrament.

[gemenilaidback]

El sabeloto has a good point and for anyone I recommend seeing HBO documentary about the voting machines and the Diebolt corporation...and the investments by the Republican party to the company...interesting stuff.

[asopao]

Originally Posted by El sabelotó

You have no problem judging me, but the difference is that I'm inmune to it. (By the way, call me anything, except 'Juan' - it's a boring name.) And you seem to have a problem with Obama being called 'black.' I used indiecito to satisfy your thirst for Dominicanismo when you said I should "know better."

That's where you failed montro. How the hell, when a Dominican says " not black", that automatically translates to the " indio " bs?? Therefore, becoming " dominicanismo". ??

So, in my understanding, according to you. saying that a person with any given AFRO-MIXED HERITAGE. (pay alot of attention here, the word is " AFRO-MIXED HERITAGE, wink wink ) "NOT BLACK" in dominicanismo terms =" indio".???? gre:

So, I, as a Dominican, If I say " Tiger Woods( Afro-mixed person) is not Black!". Then I guess in " dominicanismo terms", then Tiger Woods in an " indiecito" or " trigueñito" , etc. ( Moreno, in my view, means BLACK, in Domincan terms).

You are sounding like the anti-dominican Haitian propagandist from Wikipedia that hijacked the DR article there, and also that idiot of Ernesto Sagas, the thrash that he wrote in his book " Race and Politics in DR". I'm going off topic here, this has been discussed before in countless other threads.