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02-09-2008, 03:44 PM
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Why do most Dominicans blindly prefer Hillary over Obama?
On election day I asked my sister who she would vote for. She said Hillary, and when I asked her why, she said "because she's a woman".
Are you kidding me? How can anyone make a choice based on the gender of a person alone? And trust me, that was the only reason she gave me to vote for Hillary.
I asked my dad why he would vote for Hillary and he said that if Obama wins the Republicans will win because they can't stand black people. But guess what, according to polls, Obama would defeat John McCain, who looks like the future Republican opponent, while Hillary ties him or loses to him.
I asked several other adults, both male and female Dominicans, and they unanimously said they would vote for Hillary Clinton.
Do they know that Clinton voted to give Bush the authority to start the Iraq war?
Do they know that Obama promises to do the exact same things that Hillary is proposing for the Hispanic people?
In my opinion, many Hispanics, including Dominicans, are just too lazy to do research and at least try to get to know Barack Obama. They just go for the guy or girl whose name they are most familiar with.
And that's sad, if you ask me.
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02-09-2008, 06:08 PM
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It's not just Dominicans, but 60% of Hispanics would vote for Clinton over Obama. You are right, people need to get to know Obama, then they are more likely to vote for Clinton. Probably you are more likely to vote for Obama because he is a man or dark skinned. Dominicans don't vote as a block any more than any other group of people, but it seems that black Democrats are.
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02-09-2008, 06:38 PM
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I'm not black
..........or Dominican OR Hispanic and I am voting for and contributing to Hillary Clinton..........
.......Obama does not have a chance in hell when it comes to the general election...........
.....and possibly since the Clintons vacation in the Dominican Republic frequently and have visited many area of this country.........
.........I would think that ANY Dominican in NY would want to vote for Hillary since any issues.....if any, that ever arise that may affect Dominicans would be treated favorably in my opinion...........
  VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!!!   
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02-11-2008, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kingsbridge77
Are you kidding me? How can anyone make a choice based on the gender of a person alone? And trust me, that was the only reason she gave me to vote for Hillary.
Why are you surprised by this? In all, politicians are always flip flopping on policies and try to stay as mainstream as they can on party politics. They make themselves as electable as possible so it is difficult to differentiate one candidate from the other and many, many people, especially in the DR, choose a candidate depending on who they "like" the most or what they can get from them. For many women, and many Blacks, an election based on race isn't some minor thing to just scoff at. It is a HUGE move for the US to elect a woman or an African American. And add to that the reality that both Obama and Clinton would be qualified for the job, making the choice on race or gender understandable.
I asked my dad why he would vote for Hillary and he said that if Obama wins the Republicans will win because they can't stand black people. But guess what, according to polls, Obama would defeat John McCain, who looks like the future Republican opponent, while Hillary ties him or loses to him.
Republicans hate Black people? Guess no one told Alan Keyes that!! Polls don't matter. Election day results matter. Months ago Giuliani was the man and McCain was on the skirts (according to the "polls") and now a few months later things have changed.
I asked several other adults, both male and female Dominicans, and they unanimously said they would vote for Hillary Clinton.
So is your assumption that because you asked a few friends you have the Latino/Hispanic community figured out? Are all Hispanics the same and therefore vote the same? Don't Cuban Americans vote overwhelmingly Republican? In the last elections Mexican voters leaned toward Bush...so how can you explain that?
Do they know that Clinton voted to give Bush the authority to start the Iraq war?
Do they know that Obama promises to do the exact same things that Hillary is proposing for the Hispanic people?
Do most Americans know what you have stated? Do most bloggers and political commentators? Do most care? Hilary and Barack have both flip flopped on all the issues so no one knows where both actually stand, so your assumption that Hilary is the "Latino" candidate is just as absurd as the idea that Bill Clinton was the "First Black President." You need to do some reading on the real deal of American politics before you make your assumptions.
In my opinion, many Hispanics, including Dominicans, are just too lazy to do research and at least try to get to know Barack Obama. They just go for the guy or girl whose name they are most familiar with.
And that's sad, if you ask me.
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I feel like your generalization of Dominicans and Latinos is sad. I feel like your post is lazy, and therefore you are lazy. How do you like assumptions and negative generalizations now? Have you picked up a history book and read Latin American history? Do you realize that during the 60's, 70's and 80's many youth in Latin America died for their political beliefs? It is a region defined, in many aspects, by its politics and political history. Even today, in the DR, men and women are harassed for their political ideologies. And so because 10 people you asked have no idea about American politics they are lazy? Because Dominicans don't take the time out to read about Barack they are lazy? Why should they care about Obama?
Most Dominicans could care less about American politics because they have no vested interest in the system, besides victories on the local level. Most Dominicans in the US, for longstanding migratory fears, never vote in US elections and maintained strong connections to politics in the DR. Don;t ask Dominicans about Obama, ask them about Leonel and MVP.
There is also a separation among minorities and the poor (Blacks, Asian, Latino etc) from the political system. Most minorities don't vote because the system, in their eyes, doesn't do anything for them. Again, why should they care about Obama and how does not knowing about him equate with laziness?
In looking at your post maybe your choice of words is what distorts the message you are trying to convey. Maybe the word you were looking for is apathy? Still, lay off the generalizations.
Last edited by Mr. Lu; 02-11-2008 at 03:20 PM..
Reason: Gender mistake
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02-11-2008, 03:36 PM
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Alan Keyes 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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02-11-2008, 04:24 PM
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Now, Mr. Lu, I was unable to quote the shaded area, in which you wrote that both Obama and Clinton have "flip-flopped on all the issues so no one knows where both actually stand."
All the issues? No one knows? Generalizations, a bit CNNesque, and a lot of FOX, if you ask me. You have to agree, right?
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02-11-2008, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Lu
Alan Keyes 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Show me a candiate who is pro life and pro family and a responsible spender and I could care less what color he is or what party he is affiliated with - I would vote for him.
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02-11-2008, 04:34 PM
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Numerous news sources are reporting the rumors that latinos won't vote for Obama because he's black and I find that troubling. Some are saying its true and some are saying that latinos are more familiar with the Clintons. If you ask different people you will get different answers. There will come a time when a Latino will be running for a major office and will depend on the "black swing vote". Then those voters will be reminded of the racially charged 2008 primary and not vote for the Latino candidate. It's called a "protest vote."
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02-11-2008, 04:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chip
Show me a candiate who is pro life and pro family and a responsible spender and I could care less what color he is or what party he is affiliated with - I would vote for him.
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You seem to have your mind made up, good buddy. May the best man win, right?
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02-11-2008, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by El sabelotó
You seem to have your mind made up, good buddy. May the best man win, right?
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Women included of course, with extra cudos for a morenita que tiene y tombao' 
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