Haitian workers in the DR, and the condition of Haiti . . . is it getting better?

[EEman]

Originally Posted by Nal0whs

I don't consider it rhetoric, but everybody is free to express their opinion. And if it sounds like a broken record is because the topics on this board are very redundant. The same questions are asked a million times by different people and I give them the same answers!


what is so disturbing about it? The samething applies to most migrants, let it be Dominicans moving to NY, Haitians to DR, Tunisians to Italy, or Guatemalan to Mexico. If one of the two reasons I mention are not partially true, then I just wonder with much questioning as to why do Haitians prefer to live in slums on the outskirts of Santo Domingo and constantly feel harrassed when they could be living in the same conditions in Port-au-Prince and be in the only country in the world that can't deny them.


I don't speak to poor Dominicans most of the time, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that when a poor Dominican leaves to NY and comes back to "visit", they act as big shots and as if they got millions. They impress the locals making the locals think they live in mansions, little do the locals know that the "Dominicano Ausente" either live in cramped apartments in Washington Heights, lives off the US government, is in debt up to their eyeballs, or all of those put together.

Aside from that, there could be other reasons why Haitians prefer to be in the DR rather than in Haiti. Maybe because they can beg to tourist for pesos, something that can't be done in Haiti due to a lack of visitors. Or maybe they can send their children to Dominican schools and get them at least some form of education. Or maybe they can sell more on the Dominican informal economy than they do in Haiti. The point is there is something keeping the Haitians here, despite most of them living like they were in Haiti or even a lower levels.

Please, give me some insight into what causes them to stay because I don't see other reasons why it happens.

It must be said that these are generalizations, there are always exceptions.

You are very informative and you explain the situation well.

[Mr_DR]

Originally Posted by locofoto

Do you really understand what you are talking about? You can't be serious! You are paving the way for a genocide. That's weird, dangerous and crazy.

I think that the question should be do you understand what she is talking about?

Haitians are invading every corner and every hole in the Dominican Republic. They are reproducing like flies and with them they bring to the country all of
their misery and we are all gonna go down with their misseries also, if the international communities don't help Haiti. They are wasting their times by donating stuffs like clothes and other goods to them. These goods are not doing much for them, the only people that are benefitting from these donations are the authorities that first come into contacts with these goods which then ends up beeing sold by the Haitians in the streets of Dominican Republic.

They need to send experts to show them how to farm, How to build, how to
appreciate their country, make them understand that if you take a tree down to make carbon, there will not be another one in the future unless you plant another, they need get away from that voodoo s*** , train someone to run the country or assign them an advisor and give thousands of scholarships.
Maybe one of those 1000's will be a great leader.

let it be known that i have nothing against Haitians
and i am not discriminating against them.

[Marianopolita]

Mr_DR,


If your question is directed at me, all I am saying is shooting Haitians at the border is not the solution. Justified or not what kind image would that incite for the DR? I think you know the answer to that.

Now I read your post and I agree with you that the problem needs to be addressed differently by the Int'l community etc.and you did not suggest shooting them at the border so you can clearly see I do know what I am talking about.

-Lesley D

[DRsScarface]

I think we should just build a big wall to keep them away. The U.S. has one at the border with Mexico and guards are behind it protecting the border back and forth. However, we can't forget that the guards are some of the most corrupt, taking money from the Hatians to let them into the country. I would take care of them by catching dem in the act and sending them straight to jail. If it doesnt work just line every inch of the the border with explosives. And what ever happened with the good old repatriaciones? Just send everyone without a work visa back to Haiti.......sound simple enough. Every other country does it why cant we? I wish I was president of the DR, this would be one of the first things I would worry about.

[guarocuya]

Originally Posted by Nal0whs

Has the influx of Haitians into the DR ever lighten up? Um, no.

I guess they learned that its easier to come "on the low" rather than parading with bayonets like they did in past centuries.

It also has to do with the extremely relax attitude the DR government has towards this problem, a problem that will cost us in the long shot monetarily and loss in economic advancement. I'm saying that because most Haitians aggregate the problems in the DR, demanding the DR to take care of Dominican poor and Haitian poor, further straining whatever resources are available here.

The public hospitals are in shambles, but they probably would not have been if the Hospitals were to attend Dominicans. Nowadays, Haitians outnumber Dominicans in many hospital and by the time a Dominican makes it to the hospital, all the medicines have been used up and the beds are taken. Its not like if things will be perfect without the Haitian problem, but it would be alot better than before.

The school are now overcrowded. Schools have always been underfunded to begin with, the allowance of Haitians to attend Dominican schools just puts more unnecessary strains on the system and puts the Dominicans (for who the schools were built for to begin with) at a disadvantage with less spending per pupil.

The slums are expanding like water. In 2000, the census reported that 95% of all slum dwellers in the DR were Haitians. Now its probably up more and the slums have spread. This is unacceptable. All these Haitians living in hovels on the outskirts of SDQ. Its ridiculous. Again, its not that without the Haitians the slums would disappear, but they would be a lot smaller and not in places like Arroyo Hondo which recently developed a slum area!

Tourists are complaining even more about the hassles and aggresiveness of many beggars in the streets of the DR. It just turns out that most beggars are either Haitians or Haitian kids. They beg and beg and if you don't give them something, they send you to hell. What is that all about? If the tourist decide that is a reason to stop coming to the DR, then the Haitians are going to cost us our biggest and most important industry.

And the worst part is that the rest of the world is taking some aspect of Haitian culture and branding them as Dominican! Many Haitian Bateyes conduct vodoo ceremonies and they are considered to be Dominican vodoo ceremony, despite most participants being Haitians. Palo music has taken root in some parts of the country, Palo music is Compas in Spanish, a Haitian music now being considered as Dominican.

Also, ever since Trujillo was killed, the influx of Haitians has increase with the last four years of Hipomania being the zenith of such influxes. One noticeable thing is that the average human on the streets in the DR everyday appears to be darker and darker. Obviously, most are Haitians starting to intermingle with the population and others are Haitians passing themselves as Dominicans. Though, colorwise its not important, it is indicative of the Haitian presence in the country and how they are changing the face of the country everyday that passes.

[QUOTE]I think that the question should be do you understand what she is talking about?

Haitians are invading every corner and every hole in the Dominican Republic. They are reproducing like flies and with them they bring to the country all of
their misery and we are all gonna go down with their misseries also, if the international communities don't help Haiti. They are wasting their times by donating stuffs like clothes and other goods to them. These goods are not doing much for them, the only people that are benefitting from these donations are the authorities that first come into contacts with these goods which then ends up beeing sold by the Haitians in the streets of Dominican Republic.

They need to send experts to show them how to farm, How to build, how to
appreciate their country, make them understand that if you take a tree down to make carbon, there will not be another one in the future unless you plant another, they need get away from that voodoo s*** , train someone to run the country or assign them an advisor and give thousands of scholarships.
Maybe one of those 1000's will be a great leader.

let it be known that i have nothing against Haitians
and i am not discriminating against them.[QUOTE]

excellent point, I 100 % agree with you guys. this is not discrimination if not our race and culture are in dangerous. the haitians are invading DR. every corner of DR, there are become strong haitians communities. even santiago, the haitans are doing communities.

another problem, the rate birth of haitians, they multiply by 1,000 compare to the DR. how many children a hatian woman has ( 6 children at least) compare to DR ( maybe 1 per mother) if somebody knows statistic, what will happen to the DR race plus worse our culture. whom substitute to whom?. plus the strong flow of haitians to DR. trujillo knew this and try to stop it.

the sollution is to deport all haitians illigally and legally out the country, stop the school and hospital benefits and sue who employ haitians on constructions and houses. close the frontier.

what is funny , nobody sees this situation and our government doesnt bother to do something.

at the end the haitians win to juan pablo patriotism. and we will be extincted by that time. why we dont demand to our government and congress to solve this situation before it is too late. lets join to some pediodistas who posted this situation and worry about it.

[cr8tions]

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the sollution is to deport all haitians illigally and legally out the country, stop the school and hospital benefits and sue who employ haitians on constructions and houses. close the frontier.
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Who will take on the construction jobs and who would build the houses... who who work the sugar cane fields??? Sure not a dominican!!!

[Pib]

I frigging can't believe some people are suggesting a genocide. I am shaking my head so hard my neck has becomed unhinged and rolling my eyes all the way to the back of my neck.

Do you realize what you just said for crying out loud?

[Marianopolita]

Pib,

Well I am glad somebody agrees with me and Locofoto because a lot went through my head when I read that comment as well. A resolution without a doubt is necessary but what has been said here by a few is just incredible.

-Lesley D

Originally Posted by Pib

I frigging can't believe some people are suggesting a genocide. I am shaking my head so hard my neck has becomed unhinged and rolling my eyes all the way to the back of my neck.

Do you realize what you just said for crying out loud?

[bob saunders]

Quote:" The school are now overcrowded. Schools have always been underfunded to begin with, the allowance of Haitians to attend Dominican schools just puts more unnecessary strains on the system and puts the Dominicans (for who the schools were built for to begin with) at a disadvantage with less spending per pupil." unQuote

Haitian children born in the DR can't go to school in the DR because they do not receive birth certificates, without which they can not attend school in the DR. My wife has several haitians working for her at her school. Their children could attend the school but they can't be registered, therefore they can't graduate or attend highschool.

[Naufrago]

Not there yet, and can't really know why some people hate the Haitians and their children so much. but, wouldn't it be easier to move away, to a nice white island enclave, maybe iceland? rather than to force a million souls to vacate the DR at gunpoint, back to anarchy and starvation. Can't we all work together to try to make this a better world for the children of all colors and nationalities.