Haitian workers in the DR, and the condition of Haiti . . . is it getting better?

[Pib]

I could have taken the time to dissect Guarocuya's post. But it is too much nonsense in such little space. Bah!

[NALs]

Originally Posted by Mr_DR

I agreed with you Guarocuya,
but we really cant deport them all because we do need some of these Hatians
to do the the work that some of us won't do ( ie working in the bateyes) since dominicans wont do that type of work.

I think that they should just control their flow into the country just like many industrialized countries do; for example USA and Spain when they need some cheap labor they provide so many visas per years to fill these low positions that Spaniards and Americans would not normally fill whether it is visas for the Mexicans to pick fruits in the west coast, Central Americans to clean or Caribbeans to take care of the young and the old.

Actually, Dominican plantations can invest a little bit in buying farming machinery to cut the sugar cane. Watch Dominicans want to cut sugar then! Imagine the new Dominican sugarcane field scenery! Instead of looking like a slavery system with all these blacks cutting sugar, it will look like the midwestern US with agricultural machines cutting sugar. Plus, its much more efficient that way!

[deelt]

Nals, like Chiri said history has taught you nothing, thus, people who think like you are bound to repeat it.

The only person who is affiliating me to a party is you. Thus, you are the only one trying to contradict my words. You are the one trying to create false positions for me. Thanks but no. I can speak for myself and on this issue I would rather not get involved. It is like talking into a black hole. I would rather conserve my energy for when real action is required not posting on a board as if it was a life and death matter.

Regardless of my personal political beliefs, the current administration is the one that supported the Free Trade Agreement with DR which you are so jolly about. Like I've told you before. Don't bite the hand that feeds you (meaning, DR).

Sorry to disappoint you but I have not committed a sin by quoting the Bible and by stating my HUMANITARIAN position. If my quoting the Bible makes you uncomfortable then that is grounds for self-inspection (yours). I for one recognize, am a sinner since there is no such thing as perfection.

Thus, the appropriateness of my verse stands.

Peace-

Originally Posted by Nal0whs

Deelt, you should just go back to your GOP enclave and keep comming up with strategies of destroying the DR and uniting the island into a full island hell hole. From the Dominican embassy in Paris, to the consulate in NY to our very own government offices here in Santo Domingo, GOP's are trying to impose a plan that would cause for the Dominican sovereignity to be destroyed in the long run and create some form of unified one island nation. That is not only ridiculous, but prone to fail.
....
You should really stop using the bible, because you are sending yourself into more sin! Afterall, you just pointed out "the speck of sawdust" of myself in this post, while paying no attention to the planck in your own eye, or am I missing something?

Don't tell others to do something you yourself are not willing to do and don't use quotes that contradicts your actions.

It would really help you out in making your debatable points.

[Pomli]

[QUOTE=Mr_DR]
They need to send experts to show them how to farm, How to build, how to
appreciate their country, make them understand that if you take a tree down to make carbon, there will not be another one in the future unless you plant another, they need get away from that voodoo s*** , train someone to run the country or assign them an advisor and give thousands of scholarships.
Maybe one of those 1000's will be a great leader.

QUOTE]

Mr DR, you are right on that point. I am not awared of every little problems that happened in Haiti, only that poverty is getting worsen with the natural catatrophes that happened, and certainly they lack a lots of education, thus they cannot get too far around about how making life little bit easier and preventing those huge death to occur. It's true that if someone teach them about how to farm, how to build, they will be tempted to stay and not look for elsewhere. They will be more proud of what they have done with little help receive from other people. But if people out of the country go to Haiti and start building things useful and implementing some technologies, but leaving the Haitian without any knowledge how to use them or misuse them, then it is not worth to do it. People need to feel being concerned and involved!

I just want to use an example of one of my friend who went 4 months in Ghana for implementing technology. She worked with the community and live with them to learn every daily things in their life and wrote reports to government to state what needs those people really have (like be their voice). And after determining needs, she will help in implement something such a well that will add more years to the village life and show them how it works. People in the villages and the government have been happy of this initative. If she spent one week just to dig the hole for the well and then leave quickly without having plenty time to explain how to use, well people will say that's something that a *foreigner* built but we don't know what the use, or how to use it. As result, this little technology that could have changed their life a great deal ends up to be not useful.

The take home message, you have to learn the life of the people, to start with, their social-context, a bit of everything and then really focus on their real needs, which may be hidden under major needs that people outside of the countries might not think of. It is easy to think they will be starved, and have lost everything in the catastrophes, so let's send money, food, and clothes in the first place. After the tragedies, everything they will do will become more critical to the future. I wish they could send trees so it will help to reduce the tragedies. Have they thought about it..?

I feel bad to heard that some authorities will take the clothes sent by international aid and then sell them to market. I wish that the countries helping Haiti or other countries could be awared of that sort of things..and prevent that to happen...even that is hard.

I wish I could get my engineering degree now and see if I can help in anything instead of being in front of the computer and writing my thoughts...

- Anna

[locofoto]

Originally Posted by guarocuya

[...]for quisqueyanos origen ( spanish and native) stop the loving haitians and support our culture and race.

to my friend
"Who will take on the construction jobs and who would build the houses... who who work the sugar cane fields??? Sure not a dominican!!!"

we can give visa to the people from jivaro native) from venezuela, colombia, mexico, and peru and ecuador to work for construction....etc etc..... these people dont represent a problem to us. the same culture, race , religion, and race, and language.[...]

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We write the year 2004 and not 1933! And - let me add this - there is a little hope mankind learned something from the errors of the past. Or maybe not?

Sad to read this mental poison. You really want to set things on fire - don't you?

[locofoto]

Originally Posted by Ricardo900

[...]
You can't scare a person who has nothing to LOSE!!

Right! Security is made by bringing trade and benefits to your neighbors. Satisfied people don't rob. Trade has always opened doors. That's the basic reason why developed nations INVEST in the development of poor nations. It's not pity but to avoid a rising problem with their own security.

[locofoto]

Originally Posted by Mr_DR

[...]I think that they should just control their flow into the country just like many industrialized countries do; for example USA and Spain when they need some cheap labor they provide so many visas per years to fill these low positions that Spaniards and Americans would not normally fill whether it is visas for the Mexicans to pick fruits in the west coast, Central Americans to clean or Caribbeans to take care of the young and the old.

I'm sorry and with all politeness... You are talking with a mindset from about 150-200 years ago.

I'm really becoming upset now! You need other people to do work yourself don't like to do. Heck! Why don't you propose to return to slavery!? Eh? Wouldn't that be wonderful?

Grab some decent school books and read a little bit about history. It's really disgusting!!!

[locofoto]

Originally Posted by Pib

I could have taken the time to dissect Guarocuya's post. But it is too much nonsense in such little space. Bah!

Yeah! But it's highly dangerous nonsense.

Blindness and ignorance to lessons learned from history seems to accompany mankind for all times. Sad! Maybe there is some hope and these blind men never come to power.

[NALs]

I can excuse what Nals says since I know many of his positions are not even worthy of comment. What I find even more egregious are the people who are jumping on the bandwagon to give his comments props!

Based on that quote from above which deelt made on previously, I thought that Deelt was done with me.

Thus, I posted something else (the GOP thing, which is based on a few evidence my sources have found out for me and coupled that with a few DR1ers who have also been "witness" to such threat to DR sovereignity from GOP members.)

However that was not my purpose to posting that GOP thing about Deelt. I just wanted to see if she stands by her words. Obviously, what I say has an impact on her and/or an impact on what she believes her image is on this web source.

Aparently, Deelt does believe that my positions are worthy of comment, otherwise why response to my last post in the way Deelt did?

Originally Posted by deelt

Nals, like Chiri said history has taught you nothing, thus, people who think like you are bound to repeat it.

The only person who is affiliating me to a party is you. Thus, you are the only one trying to contradict my words. You are the one trying to create false positions for me. Thanks but no. I can speak for myself and on this issue I would rather not get involved. It is like talking into a black hole. I would rather conserve my energy for when real action is required not posting on a board as if it was a life and death matter.

Regardless of my personal political beliefs, the current administration is the one that supported the Free Trade Agreement with DR which you are so jolly about. Like I've told you before. Don't bite the hand that feeds you (meaning, DR).

Sorry to disappoint you but I have not committed a sin by quoting the Bible and by stating my HUMANITARIAN position. If my quoting the Bible makes you uncomfortable then that is grounds for self-inspection (yours). I for one recognize, am a sinner since there is no such thing as perfection.

Thus, the appropriateness of my verse stands.

Peace-

BTW, your bible quotes don't make me uncomfortable at all. Every human that has done the ultimate sacrifice for the "freedom" that exist in this world are burning in hail right now.

Afterall, isn't killing one of the biggest contradiction to the commandments?

So please Deelt, leave the bible out of this. Afterall, the reason why you have freedom of speach, democracy, and freedom overall is because some people decided to do some of the nasty things that needed to get done (and in the process condemn their soul) for the sake of future generations.

If all those humans that fought for democracy and freedom would have applied the bible's principles into their day to day living, there would be no democracy or freedom to speak of today!

So, please leave God and the Bible out of this simply because the condemnation of a few have "saved" the many.

[locofoto]

Originally Posted by Nal0whs

[...]
If all those humans that fought for democracy and freedom would have applied the bible's principles into their day to day living, there would be no democracy or freedom to speak of today!

You seriously need to check your logic.

All those lives that were forcefully terminated in the name of freedom or other superior goals were sacrificed because some leaders sought more power. All these revolutions did not solve anything. When people today in some parts of the world live better than in the past it is due to contiguous development and because people have learned something out of history and the errors made by mislead prior generations.

Grab a few thousand pages of history books about European history and start reading beginning with the medieval crucades up to the latest revolution that happened on 11/09/1989 in Germany. See something? No bullets, no tanks, no violence... Why? Maybe people have learned something...