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  #41  
Old 09-25-2004, 05:19 AM
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the sollution is to deport all haitians illigally and legally out the country, stop the school and hospital benefits and sue who employ haitians on constructions and houses. close the frontier.

Who will take on the construction jobs and who would build the houses... who who work the sugar cane fields??? Sure not a dominican!!![/QUOTE]

Why do you think Dominicans don't work construction anymore?
Why do you think Dominicans don't cut sugar canes?
It is certainly not because the pay went up for them when they
started to hire Haitians.

And are you trying to say also that all the Haitians there, are construction and sugar cane workers?
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Old 09-25-2004, 11:28 AM
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The only reason why sometimes I stop by these threads is to leave my disgust at these ideas on record, lest anyone stumble upon this thread searching for something and come to believe that we Dominicans are a bunch of genocidal lunatics.

I don't have at the moment the energy to start repeating whatever arguments I've posted ten zillion times here.
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Old 09-25-2004, 11:33 AM
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" Ever heard of BB Guns or rubber bullets! Non lethal weapons! "

Rubber and /or plastic bullets Non Lethal !!! Like heck they are ! Try convincing families in Ireland and other countries, whose children and relatives are now buried in grave-yards or maimed for life by these type of bullets ! non lethal, my a$$ !!! They KILL !
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Old 09-25-2004, 11:44 AM
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Thanks for getting my back. At least there are some people that have sense in this thread.

Some of these negative postings really crack me up. There really is no ACCOUNTABILITY here. Nals, in particular, feels completely comfortable just spewing false accusations, creating pseudo images, and insinuating unsubstantiated affiliations, all with no transparency. I guess what I say to you or Lesley D or Chiri or other positive humanitarian thinkers really gets to him.

*Sigh*

Yeah, I agree with you. Not only does he need to check his logic but he also needs to look at the evolution of thread responses. Last time I checked I was speaking with like minded people. I've only directed an email to him once to say I wouldn't engage on this issue because of the level of ignorance exhibited here.

You can lead a bull to water but can't make him drink. God save us all from these people if they ever come to power....another Trujillo in the making.

Peace

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You seriously need to check your logic.

All those lives that were forcefully terminated in the name of freedom or other superior goals were sacrificed because some leaders sought more power. All these revolutions did not solve anything. When people today in some parts of the world live better than in the past it is due to contiguous development and because people have learned something out of history and the errors made by mislead prior generations.

Grab a few thousand pages of history books about European history and start reading beginning with the medieval crucades up to the latest revolution that happened on 11/09/1989 in Germany. See something? No bullets, no tanks, no violence... Why? Maybe people have learned something...

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Old 09-25-2004, 11:59 AM
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Deelt,

Well said. If you noticed I refrained from posting after I read Nals' comment about using non-lethal weapons etc. and the fact that he would shoot them is absolutely another level of ignorance. There is a saying in Spanish which I am sure you know: "En la vida no se debe porfiar con tercos" and that's the stance I have taken. Enough is enough. I read enough nonsense and I prefer to direct my energies to threads where I have a common interest with the posters and we can logically discuss and debate ideas rather than encourage hatred.

Regards,

Lesley D


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Thanks for getting my back. At least there is some people that have sense in this thread.

Some of these negative postings really crack me up. There is really no ACCOUNTABILITY here. Nals, in particular, feels completely comfortable just spewing false accusations, creating pseudo images, and insinuating unsubstantiated affiliations, all with no transparency. I guess what I say to you or Lesley D or Chiri or other positive humanitarian thinkers really gets to him.

*Sigh*

Yeah, I agree with you. Not only does he need to check his logic but he also needs to look at the evolution of thread responses. Last time I checked I was speaking with like minded people. I've only directed an email to him once to say I wouldn't engage on this issue because of the level of ignorance exhibited here.

You can lead a bull to water but can't make him drink. God save us all from these people if they ever come to power....another Trujillo in the making.

Peace

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Old 09-25-2004, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by locofoto
You seriously need to check your logic.

All those lives that were forcefully terminated in the name of freedom or other superior goals were sacrificed because some leaders sought more power. All these revolutions did not solve anything. When people today in some parts of the world live better than in the past it is due to contiguous development and because people have learned something out of history and the errors made by mislead prior generations.

Grab a few thousand pages of history books about European history and start reading beginning with the medieval crucades up to the latest revolution that happened on 11/09/1989 in Germany. See something? No bullets, no tanks, no violence... Why? Maybe people have learned something...
In the end, its the soldiers fault for his/her involvement in such wars. No leader is more powerful over a person than the person's own mind.

Sure, leaders could tell you that you must join the army and must kill someone, but if you don't want to you don't do it. It might cost you your life because the leader might consider you a traitor, but that is the price for not wanting and not going to war.

However, people want to live so, they DECIDE to go along with the leader's demand.

I hear alot on DR1 about many DR1 members saying that Dominicans need to take responsibility. Now, I'm confused that the responsibility of a soldier is not in his hands? A soldier decided at one point to follow the orders, from that point forward its the soldier's responsibility. The order giver has partiall responsibility, but the soldier is the ultimate responsible person in such act.

That is why Nazi soldiers were prosecuted for crime against humanity. Most said they followed orders, but at some point they DECIDED to follow those orders.

So Locomoto, what are you talking about? That its okay to take responsibility sometimes and not at other times?

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Old 09-25-2004, 01:00 PM
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Some of these negative postings really crack me up. There is really no ACCOUNTABILITY here. Nals, in particular, feels completely comfortable just spewing false accusations, creating pseudo images, and insinuating unsubstantiated affiliations, all with no transparency. I guess what I say to you or Lesley D or Chiri or other positive humanitarian thinkers really gets to him.
Another proof that what I say HAS AN IMPACT ON DEELT AND OTHERS WHO ARE AFRAID THAT MY WAY OF THINKING IS MAKING SENSE, which for real patriotic Dominicans who see the problem before its too late, it should!

What you say Deelt doesn't really gets to me, what gets to me is how quickly you folks sucumb to failure. Failure not in the sense that you guys gave up, but in the sense that you guys stoped trying when you were beginning to have the biggest impact on the person you wanted to impact to begin with.

Think about that for a second!

Also, why do you like to use the word HUMANITARIAN alot? I mean, I know why, you want to make me seem less "humane" and yourself (and those like minded) more humane, thus making people more "warm hearted" towards your ideas. I got to hand it to you, that is a good strategy for getting those undecided minded folks into your bandwagon.

But, think about this. A humanitarian goes to a poor country and feeds the people there, literally. The humanitarian stands in front of a stewpot and hands out food. That sounds so humane and wonderful. The only problem is that its inefficient and creates dependence.

In the other hand, here comes this other person (whom you would probably consider inhumaine) and he forces these very same people to live by their means. That means they will have to starve for some time. Oh, that sounds so cruel, what an evil person that is, right?

Well, it just turns out that that person decided to not feed the people (thus they are starving) but to teach them how to defend and feed themselves. While they make a slight SACRIFICE of not eating, they are filling their brains with knowledge that will serve them well. Once they have full knowledge of how to denfend and feed themselves, the so called "evil helper" leaves forever, but the people he leaves behind now walk around with a filled belly!

The humanitarian leaves and the people it leaves behind go right back to starving!

Which is better, a nice image today but with dire consequences in the future, or being criticized to death but leaving a mark in this world that will be revised and fully understood once the impact has well gotten through?

Think about that for a second too!

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Last time I checked I was speaking with like minded people.
Winston Churchill once said that the best way to measure a real leader's achievement is by the number of criticism it gets.

Hmm, why? Well, if you are not being criticized, you are not doing your job right! The point of being a leader is to create change in society AND to impose what's right for society. Those actions always bring out criticisms of some sort.

The fact that you and Lesley prefer to be in "like minded" groups is really weird for people that are trying to impose change in society! I thought people like you would immense yourselves in contradictory minded people to ensure and compare your ideas to that of their own. If your ideas were as "sound" and correct then they should be getting into the minds of the opposite minded person!

I guess you stopped digging three feet from gold! In other words, you people quit too easily, that is why you will never see any effect on society that you are trying to impose!


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You can lead a bull to water but can't make him drink. God save us all from these people if they ever come to power....another Trujillo in the making.
I'm sure Duarte was another Trujillo and maybe even George Washington and those Americans who decided to fight with real bullets and under guerilla werfare to ensure their own survival and end the effect of Britain on their land. And the same could be said of the leaders of any country in the world.

Every system of government and society you see in effect today (good and bad) is a direct response to someone's "erratic" idea that may have seem so out of place and negative AT THAT TIME, BUT YIELDED THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY!

Whether you think this world is good or bad is irrelevant because the fact that you are able to think that without being prosecuted is due to those people who "went against the current and keeped going even when the current got tougher and tougher with obstacles along the way"!

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Old 09-25-2004, 01:18 PM
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Lots of rhetoric but nothing of real value..... I don't have the energy.
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Old 09-25-2004, 01:53 PM
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Chris,

Not only that but I thought Nals would be at the border by now shooting. Lots of talk no action.

-Lesley D


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Lots of rhetoric but nothing of real value..... I don't have the energy.
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Old 09-25-2004, 02:05 PM
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Chris,

Not only that but I thought Nals would be at the border by now shooting. Lots of talk no action.

-Lesley D
That's funny, I thought you were in Haiti telling Haitians that the DR is up for grabs!
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