Denying Haitian contributions to Dominican society

[Pib]

Originally Posted by Terry O'Connell

I have fought in three wars in my life;
Seen unmentionable suffering and death;
When I hear or see such ignorance as spouted today, it is my duty to respond; the memory of my expirences compels me.
I am a white Irish American by birth, a Dominican by choise and by the grace of destiny...
Go f--k yourself
TO"C

As you wish.

[bob saunders]

Originally Posted by Chirimoya

Who is this Pedro Gomez you keep on talking about? He can't be that famous, there aren't any streets named after him.

pena gomez , I hope you didn't bite your tonque.

[Chirimoya]

Originally Posted by bob saunders

I know perfectly well what Pedro Gomez was and who he represented, Every country has people that use the oppression of poor people to stay in power and others that use the poverty of poor people to get elected.

Insert name of any Dominican, or for that matter, Latin American politician here.

Pedro Gomez made many promises to the poor that he wouldn't have been able to keep, and he was just as corrupt as the rest of the PRDists, thats why Juan B formed the PLD, to get away from those crooks that had taken over his party. My comment still hasn't been answered: WHAT DID HE DO FOR THE DR.

Well, to be fair to poor old Peña, he was denied the chance to prove himself one way or the other, despite having won the election in 94.

Just realised this is completely off topic, but I'm not going to be the one to suggest it gets split off into a new thread.

[Rapadou]

Terry thanks for taking on that you know what, he's not worth my breath. By ignoring his rants alone it speaks volume, I'd rather not waste my breath on half-breed like him, I am done.

We all know that the same language is use by Puerto Ricans when it comes to Dominicans invading El Boriquen, just doesn't make it any better. People like that I've learned to just ignore. ANyhow thanks for getting my back and standing for what's right. I really appreciated it my European Brother.

It's quite obvious the brother needs a history lesson, for he's deem to repeat the past. Wouldn't it be something if he himself had some Haitian blood in his family, I wonder why he's so upset. There must be something behind it, for him to go on a rampage like that. ANyway, I will not take the bait. FOr if I did, I would be as ignorant as he is.


PIB, I will take your advise and not reply to that vile post full of hatred, I am much bigger than that, understand. But we must know and acknowledge that people like G exist in this world and we cannot hide them in the closet anymore. We must face them right in the eyes and challenge them for what they are. Just like one does with Evil in this world.

[Rapadou]

"Well, to be fair to poor old Peña, he was denied the chance to prove himself one way or the other, despite having won the election in 94.

Just realised this is completely off topic, but I'm not going to be the one to suggest it gets split off into a new thread."

Hey Chimo, m"zanmi, M'sezi wi, to start a thread of such magnitude would be asking for bannishment on this site, Revolutionnary War II. La Hispanidad, what a concept huh, what a concept, that makes me Indio claro, or moreno I guess, notttttttt!!! A self hater I am not...

[FuegoAzul21]

Originally Posted by Rapadou

Pena Gomez, ULysses Heureaux, well like it or not that self hated man Trujillo had Haitian roots, and yes Sammy Sosa too, just to name a few.

On my last visit to the DR, I noticed that Haitians are almost given 0 if any credit in Dominican society, why is that. I stayed on a resort in which many if not a 99.9% of the paintings being sold as native paintings were work of arts of people with Haitians ancestry yet they're hardly given any credit.

Pena Gomez was ridiculed because of his Haitian link, but just not Trujillo because like Hitler he managed to convince many he had no trace of Haitian blood in his veins. ANd Sammy well he's totally ignored his Haitian background. What kind of a society is that to deny such obvious facts about those who've contributed so much to it. ALmost to the brink of self hatred, how much longer can you hide it.

First.Where did you find the info on Sammy being Haitian? .Second , why are you so obsessed on having Dominicans attribute major figures to Haiti as if they owed Haiti anything .What? now all famous black Dominicans are Haitian? ,please stay off that bandwagon. You should research the whole history behind the this issue(its been discussed a million times on these boards) .you should also know that 85% of Dominicans in DR would approve deporting all Haitians , obviously they are not welcomed here and never been have for that matter .Dominicans want to dis-associate themselves with Haiti completely for many reasons .Even the people you siad were Haitian didnt and dont want anything to do with Haiti or being Haitian . How do you expect a country to embrace its traditional enemy with influencing its culture ,when in fact, the influences are very minimal .You sound like one of those "we should unite the island people" ,which are sickening ,to both Haitians and Dominicans .If you were a proud Haitian you wouldnt give crap whether haitians are embraced in Dominican culture , becuase i know many proud Haitians and they can give two sh**s about DR and what we think. As if Dominicans are liked in Haiti,this issue goes both ways (i dont mean gay).

[Quisqueya]

This thread doesn't make sense. Sammy Sosa isn't haitian. Pena Gomez wasn't haitian. Who cares anyway!!!! Haiti & DR or two different countries....that has their history intertwined and blood lines as well..but who cares...

[bob saunders]

If my parents or grandparents were, say of german descent, but i was born in another country, say the DR. I'm a dominican because that where I was born and now raised. After many years of research I find out that good old Grandpa was a Nazi or on the other side( a nobel peace prize winner) in Germany of course. Do I now deny my German Heritage if Grandpapa was the Nazi , and brag about it if he was the Nobel prize winner? Now, lets say I BECOME FAMOUS AT SOMETHING, ANYTHING. What country gets to claim me, Germany or the DR. All sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it. That's what this post about 3 people with possibly some Haitian heritage and their contribution to Dominican society is. Almost every country in the world has people originally from other countries that have contributed greatly to their new country. These are individuals that have made these contributions, not nationalities.

[ERICKXSON]

[QUOTE=Rapadou]"Well, to be fair to poor old Peña, he was denied the chance to prove himself one way or the other, despite having won the election in 94.


Denied, come on man................. he couldn't win a freaking election PERIOD! and guess what DOMINICANS out of RESPECT after he died voted for his party electing HIPOLITO MEJIA (DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS SIDE OF THE ISLAND) and that was Pena Gomez grateness, give me a freaking brake stop talking with your mouth full of SSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssss.
Live here eat here and fear reality nobody reject Haitians in my Neighborhood however i was Rejected by Haitians and was pushed around by Haitians in Miami for only being DOMINICAN/AMERICAN i learned how to HATE YOU! because you thought me how............................................... ................ now i'm living in the DR the average Dominican doesn't care about haitians they just mind their business and that KILLS ME DARN IT, when i hear people talking bad about Dominicans i just dream of the day some idiot wakes up(ENCOJONAO) and start shooting.



OFF MY CHEST!

i treat one man at a time respect one man at a time i can careless where you come from where you're going or what you're going to be just don't play with my intelligence............. I know how to shoot.

[DMAO]

for us to deny it. They have helped us in the sugarcane cutting and much of manual labor. This is very blatant. DR and Haiti share an island and as a result there will be much mixing. Since we are slightly better off, they immigrate over. Yes, we pay them so it is a business. But we abuse them. We pay them less than the avg. Dominican. There is a lot of mixing of the cultures. Most Dominicans tend to look down on these poor souls, so they deny any Haitian heritage in their blood. And use them as scapegoats for those Dominicans who are'nt well behaved citizens. Maybe this is do to ignorance and plain hatred.
If only they knew that here in the states the same goes on frequently with the L. Americans.
This is the first time I see that there is a lot of thier artwork in DR. I am curious to where they can be found particulary in STI.