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09-30-2006, 10:30 PM
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Irrespectiveof the financial impetus created by Chavez, hisgoal is to dominate Latin America through his control of the local petroleum market. He will offer any terms to place himself in a favorable light in seeking his dream of power.
Additionally, his rhetoric, vis-a-viz the US is a calculated endeavor to further demote and defer the power base "previously" occupied by that nation. The way things are going, he won't have very far to go to achieve his goal.
Just watch out for his next move. It'll be worse than the World Bank and the IMF combined.
The pity of it all is that neither the arrogant simpletons in Washington nor in Santo Domingo can see it coming.
Texas Bill
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09-30-2006, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Bill
Irrespectiveof the financial impetus created by Chavez, hisgoal is to dominate Latin America through his control of the local petroleum market. He will offer any terms to place himself in a favorable light in seeking his dream of power.
Additionally, his rhetoric, vis-a-viz the US is a calculated endeavor to further demote and defer the power base "previously" occupied by that nation. The way things are going, he won't have very far to go to achieve his goal.
Just watch out for his next move. It'll be worse than the World Bank and the IMF combined.
The pity of it all is that neither the arrogant simpletons in Washington nor in Santo Domingo can see it coming.
Texas Bill
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Good god man. What the hell is it that your trying to say. If you're trying to imply that he's a regional bully then you should exclude any references to the US, the IMF, and the world bank.
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10-01-2006, 12:02 AM
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As Hillbilly indicated he has the numbers in terms of the percentage of the poor in Venezuela's population. We may agree or disagree with Chavez, but that sector of the population is receiving benefits that traditionally it never got.
The PetroCaribe arrangement with the DR and other caribbean nations is just one step in the spread of his influence in the region. There is a new kid in the block, take notice US, IMF,WB.
The power of oil transcends ideology.
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10-01-2006, 12:16 AM
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You said it as far as I'm concerned. Chavez is looking out for the people and nationalizing what should be owned by the people for the people.....generating income for the people and leaving the old landlords in the lurch.........is that wrong???????
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10-01-2006, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by gary short
You said it as far as I'm concerned. Chavez is looking out for the people and nationalizing what should be owned by the people for the people.....generating income for the people and leaving the old landlords in the lurch.........is that wrong???????
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I guess it's not wrong.... let's see what happens when the pumps start to dry up.
Could be tomorrow or a hundred years from now, but nothing last forever.
-NALs
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10-01-2006, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by NALs
I guess it's not wrong.... let's see what happens when the pumps start to dry up.
Could be tomorrow or a hundred years from now, but nothing last forever.
-NALs
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Same could be said of any other oil producing nation.
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10-01-2006, 09:22 AM
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Et Al--
Petroleum has become a tool of Foreign Policy by many nations possessing same.
Look at Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Libya, indonesia, and many others of the OPEC variety.
These nations are using the oil they have to presure other nations not having same to force aeements with their foreign policies, which in some instances are contrary to previous stands in the international mileau of politics.
Chavez is betting the other latin Countries will be so dependent on his "largess" that they will follow his lead; and he may just be right.
How many of the Latin Countries, besides Mexico, have the petroleum reserves to resist? Maybe Columbia.
What people fail to see is the political and economic maneuvering that is going on to capture the following of all Latin Countries.
Gary-- the references to the World Bank and the IMF are significant (I may be on the wrong thread on this ) in that these organizations have alienated most of Latin America by their manner of operation, constantly encouraging countries to take out loans they can't afford without making more in the future to sustain both their economy and the debt load incurred. It's a "Catch 22" situation.
Chavez is dangling the "carrot" and LA is hungering after it.
Texas Bill
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10-01-2006, 10:19 AM
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Gary et al: the poor are finally getting their just deserts you say?
I guess that's an AK-47? A million of them?
I'll agree with on all the striped pants sissies in the IMF, WB, US State, etc., etc.
But C'MON! He's simply mobilizing the barriio jackals to do a Latino Napoleon number on everything below Florida and the Rio Grande.
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10-01-2006, 10:32 AM
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Tuan may well be right here. The reality of Venezuela's division of the oil spoils closely relates to the division of the DR sugar spoils. A tiny few were "in on it" and thousands were not. In fact thousands (tens of thousands, if you will) were totally alienated from the development process...
This has now come to a head in Venezuela with Chavez and perhaps in the DR with the PLD??? Don't know yet. However, it is not true that Chavez has nationalized the oil industry, that was done decades ago!!..
Regarding the DR, remember this has to relate to the DR, the OP was concerned about taking oil on credit. Spend now and pay later policies were what he was criticizing and rightly so , I do believe....
Later folks.
HB
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10-01-2006, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
Tuan may well be right here. The reality of Venezuela's division of the oil spoils closely relates to the division of the DR sugar spoils. A tiny few were "in on it" and thousands were not. In fact thousands (tens of thousands, if you will) were totally alienated from the development process...
This has now come to a head in Venezuela with Chavez and perhaps in the DR with the PLD??? Don't know yet. However, it is not true that Chavez has nationalized the oil industry, that was done decades ago!!..
Regarding the DR, remember this has to relate to the DR, the OP was concerned about taking oil on credit. Spend now and pay later policies were what he was criticizing and rightly so , I do believe....
Later folks.
HB
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"Pay now and pay later policies" oh my gosh that's the same tune that those bastion of capitalism practice that is the IMF, WB, US, Europe et al.
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