DR is getting raped

[caromoq]

Originally Posted by EFM

It might be a little harsh on my part, but it is really the situation. I am not dominican, but I seem to be following the economy more than anybody. Dominicans on this forum seem to be soo preoccupied by illegal haitians working in jobs they qualify as low standard, they don't even see what is really happenning. I read a lot in this forum, i notice a lot of hate towards Haiti, which was supposed to have a relationship like Canada and the US, even if they dont necessarily love each other. I see a lot of hate toward PRicans too, and a lot of ignorant comments. If you want my opinion, Dominican republic is doing wonderful in the development, but terrible in the long run, reason why..most businesses are owned by foreigners, foreigners from around the world come and invest in DR, cause the land there is practically free, the government is happy with their percentage, and give complete freedom to foreigners. I know so many people in Canada, US, even Haiti that came to DR to get their piece of land. Whats really happenning is investors are coming, establish a business , they pay the goverment the tax, the government take care of their well-being, and thats the end of the day. Where are the dominicans in that? If the country is doing so good ( and I heard someone say it was doing better than PR), why do so many people abroad have to send their hard earned money back home. I think there is a misconception that needs to be considered. Right now the people in the country are definitely not benefiting from the riches of this country. Soon it will collapse

Huh??? No entiendo NADA! Where is this information from? In one paragraph you've made Dominicans hateful, ignorant, and apparently stupid, since the country is on the verge of "collapse." ???? I read it twice, then told my husband to read it who rolled his eyes and sends a big thank you for wasting three minutes of his life reading your post. check and clarify please!

[Rocky]

Originally Posted by caromoq

Huh??? No entiendo NADA! Where is this information from?

It's just one big brain fart.

[EFM]

Originally Posted by Rick Snyder

What a let down but then again it makes less work for me. I saw the title of this (thread?) and figured I’d have to move it to the Venus forum but upon further investigation I determined it didn’t belong there and thought seriously about the clown bin but figured what the heck here is a good a place as anywhere.

EFM welcome to DR1. I can see that you’re going to be a hit with the members.

Your OP contained 288 words of which four are misspelled, five require capital letters and three require punctuation and you’re short a question mark and one period. I let you slide with the word “PRicans”

Out of that OP the only part that is completely true without question was, “the people in the country are definitely not benefiting from the riches of this country”. This means that you are batting a 5.2083 percentage accuracy rating, something I think you need to work on.

For your information the really accurate sentence, “the people in the country are definitely not benefiting from the riches of this country”, has always been a problem since the days of CC back in the 1400’s.

Rick

Aww, come on, who really pays attention to those types of errors, besides, my objectives is not to do the spelling bee, but create an interesting debate. The statement "DR is getting raped is my personal opinion, I just chose to word it a little strong (CNN style)

Originally Posted by NALs

Hmm.... isn't that what you are doing?

Simply replace "illegal haitians working in jobs they qualify as low standard" with "foreigners with at least some money wanting to create jobs for people who need it".

The rest fits your viewpoint quite well.

Funny how a backward mind works!

Thanks for the insight!

-NALs

So, you really think it's that easy. DR is doing so good that it doesn't need haitians in the sugar cane field or in construction. I would love to see that happen. replace all the illegal haitians for all the lazy sankis on the beach. Now that would be an achievement.

Originally Posted by shadInToronto

Don't let the truth stand in the way of a good story .... btw, no country has ever 'collapsed' (or filed for 'bankruptcy' with the World Court, LOL!!!)... there may extreme poverty but, NEVER collapse.

I see that you understand my point of view

Originally Posted by manunut

think you are looking through rose tinted glasses at the dominicans situation here.land etc is "free' just about here.have you looked at any of the prices of land,apts,houses etc recently especially in any of the coastal areas?also who is selling this land to the "big bad forigen investors"?dominicans maybe?i think too that you are under the impression that all dominicans are poor.there are quite litreally millions of "rich"dominicans who own tons of land,factorys,apt blocks,shops etc,etc,etc that do an awful lot less for their "own people"than do many,many big bad investors who hand over tons of money for what is VERY ofton over priced land,and then in turn go out and pump their hard earned cash into the local econemys.take every "gringo'out of this poor "starving'(my hat,obesity is rife!)country and you would soon see what a positive affect out side investors have HERE and on ANY country.i think ALL dominicans want to take a good hard look at themselves and stop,just like you blaming the problems of the country and the"poor"on outsiders.charity begins at home.........

Now, I don't know about the millions of Rich Dominicans who owns tons of land. But i see where you are coming from. They are not rich but "rich" (big difference). A lot of them like to claim this status. To me a person is rich when he or she has 1 millions $ sitting in the bank. It really dont matter how much those big investors drop in money, it is definitely nothing close to what they are making. I can firmly say that right now, DR is the #1 destination in the carribean(someone correct me if Im wrong). It is also true that Cuba, PR, Jamaica, even Haiti, as bad as it looks, are competitors to DR. And it is also true that any improvements in all those country, as little as it might be will hurt the DR economy (And I say that sarcastically,we should all pray that nothing happens after Castro dies, we should definitely pray that Haiti never develop) Just to make it short, those big investors are not stupid, they are investing milions in and around DR, huge properties that are very hard to maintain, land that the average person cant buy back

[NALs]

Originally Posted by EFM

So, you really think it's that easy. DR is doing so good that it doesn't need haitians in the sugar cane field or in construction. I would love to see that happen. replace all the illegal haitians for all the lazy sankis on the beach. Now that would be an achievement.

First I thought you were a little ignorant regarding the DR, but now.....

Re-read what I posted and once you get it, give me a response.

You are capable of doing that on your own or do I have to lead you step by step?

-NALs

[2LeftFeet]

How about the Dominican Republic is going to be over run with 5 star hotels and the beauty of the landscape is going to be changed if the over zealous builders aren't curtailed before that occurs? Maybe that was what he was saying?

I can see that. 5 Star Mega Hotels can destroy the ambiance and solitude of a small town. The town will make money but it'll be over run with people. It'll take away the Campo feel. The people will change.

The Dominican Republic that was once --a sleepy?? travel destination will or can become more expensive or like a Miami Beach/Cancun atmosphere perhaps.

The nice thing about the DR is that resorts aren't all over the place. Tourists aren't EVERYWHERE!

[EFM]

Originally Posted by 2LeftFeet

How about the Dominican Republic is going to be over run with 5 star hotels and the beauty of the landscape is going to be changed if the over zealous builders aren't curtailed before that occurs? Maybe that was what he was saying?

I can see that. 5 Star Mega Hotels can destroy the ambiance and solitude of a small town. The town will make money but it'll be over run with people. It'll take away the Campo feel. The people will change.

The Dominican Republic that was once --a sleepy?? travel destination will or can become more expensive or like a Miami Beach/Cancun atmosphere perhaps.

The nice thing about the DR is that resorts aren't all over the place. Tourists aren't EVERYWHERE!

Bless you for understanding a little bit what I mean. I might not be expressing myself properly, as english is not my first language, but what I mean is that DR is becoming oversaturated. I still don't know why people are saying that I'm ignorant when a lot of it is true

[EFM]

Originally Posted by NALs

First I thought you were a little ignorant regarding the DR, but now.....

Re-read what I posted and once you get it, give me a response.

You are capable of doing that on your own or do I have to lead you step by step?

-NALs

I understood what you said, but the fact still remind that you can't remove them from the economy, do you think those foreigners co to DR with money, new jobs and pre-built building...On a boat maybe?

[Tuan]

"Development" is uncomfortable, even painful. Seek some education regarding the development of the two most successful economies in the world, US and Japan. The US was "raped" without benefit of 21st century conscience by European capital during all of the 19th century and some of the 20th. These two countries alone are now dragging the non-protesting L.A. countries with them, and with a lot less pain than than they suffered to get out of the backward slimepits they started in.
If your education comes, as does most of the last several generations, from movies and novels, you'll never do the work necessary to educated yourself properly on "develpment". Try reading Faulkners "novel", The Bear. It's about how Farber & Co. took every tree from norther Mississippi to south Florida -- over a thousand miles of them -- to make pencils! Then came Kruger match.....and any sensible American living today is greatly glad that they did!

[Sylvester]

Originally Posted by EFM

I can firmly say that right now, DR is the #1 destination in the carribean(someone correct me if Im wrong). It is also true that Cuba, PR, Jamaica, even Haiti, as bad as it looks, are competitors to DR.

Haiti is a competitor to the DR ? Are you kidding ? How did you arrive at that conclusion ?

[Lambada]

Maybe you are talking about tourism as exploitation? How rich Dominicans and foreigners benefit without a proportional amount of those benefits being shared among all ranks of society? Is this your point? Or the benefits of the labour of Dominicans being taken out of the country by hotel chains owned by foreign companies? Is this your point? The 'sweated labour' issue?

I think there are some issues surrounding these which might make for a good debate but until I am clear in my own mind as to the point you really are making I'll refrain from commenting.