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Old 04-09-2007, 08:40 PM
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Default Protecting the local culture?

I originally posted this as a response to duhtree in another thread, but I think it merits an entire thread all to its own and hopefully will spark a good debate.

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Oh! How exciting! Soon I won't have to leave South Beach. So then what's the point of going to the D.R.

I go to the D.R. for the Dominican Republic and its culture not to a place that is a replica of my home country and sterilized.

What is in your minds, people?
Can't culture exist with progress?

I am often intrigued when people say they go to a place for 'its culture' and yet, the same people reject or, at the very least, feel uneasy when progress begins to take place.

Look at Puerto Rico, very modern and progressive and yet, they still retain much of what makes a Boricua a... well... a Boricua!

Sometimes what people deem as 'culture' in many ways is nothing more than an economically inferior lifestyle compared to the lifestyle of people from the first world and I think many "first world tourists" want for certain places to remain the same forever, for their own enjoyment on their two-weeks vacation.

For many of these foreigners and tourists, the 'real' Dominican culture is manifested in one word: POVERTY. Anything that leads away from poverty is seen as tampering with the 'culture', thus in order to protect the local 'culture', the poverty must be protected as well and that means keeping the huts with thatch roofs, keeping the dirt roads, keeping the deprived people deprived.

Notice how not many tourists regard middle class Dominicans or upper class Dominicans as being part of the 'real culture', it's only the poor Dominicans and many include poor Haitians under the title of the 'real Dominican culture' while excluding Dominicans from the upper classes from such 'real culture'.

Culture is a complex thing that is out there, intangible, fluid, and in constant change. Culture is not manifested through thatch roofs, dirt roads, wooden shacks, and people hanging from pick-up trucks. Culture, real culture goes beyond those visible things.

Thus, the notion that the change Juan Dolio is experiencing is going to be bad because its affecting the local 'culture' I think is a nice way of saying that many tourists/foreigners don't want the area to be affected by progress.

And yes, many do use the excuse that the locals are not being benefitted (despite the construction jobs and the new jobs which will be created). But, I think that even if the locals were given more than their share of such progress, many of these people would still object to such.

Why?

Because if the locals were given the attention that would elevate their standards of living to a level where the actions of goodwill from the foreign tourists will no longer "buy their friendship", those locals will become as "normal" as the people from the country where the tourist came from.

Thus, we are back to the same dilemma once again!

Is it really the 'culture' that most tourists are after or perhaps its something else... that notion of a tropical paradise with palm trees, sunshine, and... uncivilized savages which would create the perfect opportunity for the civilized Westerner to do an act of goodwill in order to feel better for him/herself.

I'm sure many foreigners are truly concerned with the well being of the locals (despite the underlying power influence between relatively wealthier foreigner and impoverished local which creates a friendship based on one giving material gifts to the other while the other gives certain emotions of happiness and, perhaps, a validation to the foreigner of being "good").

However, many doesn't mean all and its that double side coin which keeps me wondering everytime I read or hear a non-local claim that they want to protect to the local 'culture'.

Could it be that they want to protect the local poverty? The local conditions which gives the foreigner a chance to feel good about him/herself when he/she gives gifts to the deprived locals? Could that be where much of the so called charm lies?

Food for thought!

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Old 04-09-2007, 09:02 PM
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The answer is: Yes, yes, yes, no, no, yes and yes.
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Old 04-09-2007, 09:05 PM
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I heard from some of them that they appreciate more what they have when they come back. It is like going on a long term camping trip - you get to really love the bed you sleep in afterwards. Not all of them go to poor countries to help out locals, actually most people don't even think about it.
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Old 04-09-2007, 09:33 PM
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Default Seriously though.

There are two, no three, no four kinds of tourists/travelers.

One likes the A/I's and doesn't care to go beyond the beach, booze, and food that surrounds him/her. we call these: "Tanmetourists".

The other likes to explore cities, museums, restaurants, souvenir shops, and live shows. We call these: "Gimmeabreaktourists".

Then you have the third and most peculiar kind of tourists. They like to lose themselves in "darkest DR" where they can witness the "true Dominican" Those afflicted by poverty and illiteracy. We call these: "Ifeelyourpaintourists"

And finally, you have the sex-seeking tourist who couldn't care less about anything around him/her. Much less "culture". They came here to get laid and that's all that matters. To heck with museums, beaches, shopping etc. unless that's where the healthy bodies are. We call these: "laymedowntourists".

So there you are, a short synopsis of what could have been a lengthy/boring discussion. No need to thank me!
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Old 04-09-2007, 11:38 PM
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That is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. thank-you for shareing
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Old 04-10-2007, 12:43 AM
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Nals - first of all interesting post. I sometimes wonder maybe if you weren't born 200 years after your time because you strike me as a real philosophist. (It would be nice if you haven't already to explain your background one day.)

Nonetheless, in reference to your post, the "types" that come here and complain about development upsetting the local economy IMO typically are toeing the "political correct" line nowadays that basically says we should go back to the stone ages as far as living standards etc. These people use this argument to say that the Europeans should have never come to the New World, blah, blah, that having a jeepeta is a sin and that the World Trade Organization is a front for Nazisim! What you should know about these types is they couldn't secretly give a sh$t about their fellow man! In their mind Western European culture is the worst thing that ever happened to this world and nothing will convince them otherwise. Of course, this doesn't keep them from "enjoying" all of the benefits that Western Civilization has brought to the world but in their mind they are "unwitting" participents and therefore not "culpable" as if they had it their way things would have been differnt as they gently sip their mocha cappucino and read about bliss in foreign lands at Barnes and Nobles.

The last thing anybody needs to do when confronted by a specimen as such is pay them any mind. Their god is a pseudo moralism based on civilization bashing and nothing will convince them differently as they go about their anarchist ways!
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:40 AM
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NALs - I am somewhat surprised at you. You normally check Wikipedia et al before writing but seem not to have done so on this occasion as your interpretation on the word 'Culture' differs from that of many world recognised authorities on words of the English Language! May I offer these below:

Culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
AskOxford: culture
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
culture -- Encyclopaedia Britannica

Although 'Poverty' is an element which has an effect on certain cultures in the poorer areas, it is NOT the determining factor of what culture is all about. There can be different 'cultures' for the rich & poor IN THE SAME COUNTRY!!

LOCAL culture in Santo Domingo will differ somewhat from that of Santiago or Puerto Plata & will differ again within the social structures of each of those cities. The CAMPO culture is also different to town culture. Can you be more specific as to which you mean by LOCAL culture?

I will expand at a later stage (much later) if this becomes necessary! ~ Grahame.
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Old 04-10-2007, 09:31 AM
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There are two, no three, no four kinds of tourists/travelers.

One likes the A/I's and doesn't care to go beyond the beach, booze, and food that surrounds him/her. we call these: "Tanmetourists".

The other likes to explore cities, museums, restaurants, souvenir shops, and live shows. We call these: "Gimmeabreaktourists".

Then you have the third and most peculiar kind of tourists. They like to lose themselves in "darkest DR" where they can witness the "true Dominican" Those afflicted by poverty and illiteracy. We call these: "Ifeelyourpaintourists"

And finally, you have the sex-seeking tourist who couldn't care less about anything around him/her. Much less "culture". They came here to get laid and that's all that matters. To heck with museums, beaches, shopping etc. unless that's where the healthy bodies are. We call these: "laymedowntourists".

So there you are, a short synopsis of what could have been a lengthy/boring discussion. No need to thank me!
What would you ncall folks who do not at all fit into any of the four cubbyholes above. They certainly don't apply to me and many folks I know.
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Old 04-10-2007, 12:57 PM
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what do you call the people that do all of the above like myself?
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:22 PM
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What would you ncall folks who do not at all fit into any of the four cubbyholes above. They certainly don't apply to me and many folks I know.
Simple, you're not a tourist just like I never was. You're already integrating yourself into this society as I have been. I don't know what we would be classified as other than "adventurous".
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