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05-05-2007, 03:42 PM
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Don't try to divert this thread! Especially with silly statements. We get enough of them from the 'construction expert'.
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05-05-2007, 03:49 PM
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Sorry!!!...
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05-06-2007, 01:56 PM
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Economist Mag-Metro
A recent edition of The Economist mag has an interesting article on Leonel & the metro.....sorry don't know date of the mag as I passed it on already. It was favorable to the project as I remember. Half a billion or so for 16 clicks of a metro sounds reasonable as such projects go, and the city certainly needs it now, and will bleed for one in years to come if it's not done. I don't think its so much about subsidies or paying for it, it's a matter of gridlock or no gridlock, and environmental concerns with air quality and total dependence on imported fuels, not to mention cheap public transport that could limit the 'publicos' and shabby-arsed taxis and motoconchos that are so annoying.
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05-06-2007, 02:26 PM
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Tflea your assessment to the problems faced in the capitol are true as they relate to smog and gridlock.
In your post I find just a little fault in that the cost figure at this point is only speculation and if we use history as a ruling factor in such things you are sure to find that the final expenditures will far exceed that which is mentioned. Depending on how far the cost exceeds the quoted amount will determine who says it is worth it. There are those that will say that any cost is worth the end result, (End justifies the means), and say go for it and there are those that don't feel that way. Regardless of which way you personally feel concerning this project I hope you keep in mind the vast majority of Dominicans that will reap absolutely no benefit from this endeavor but will continue to pay for it for more then one generation.
Those 'annoying publicos and shabby-arsed taxis and motoconchos' are one of the main livelihoods of many Dominicans in the capitol and throughout this country and any attempt to circumvent said livelihood will more than likely be met with stiff resistance by the wage earners and the unions so this is a problem that must be entered into the equation.
In addition, the fact that those transports that you mentioned are presently considered cheap, especially considering the proposed price to ride the metro, would more then likely insure a lower ridership on the metro.
I know your heart is in the right place as it deals with the problems of the nation but in a nation that requires so very much I honestly feel that all that money could and should be spent on things that will benefit the population as a whole rather then such a small segment.
Rick
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05-06-2007, 08:23 PM
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Well, I dont know why people are still getting worked up over this...whats done is done! I think it was a big mistake of the government to build a metro at this time, but what are we going to do? The construction started already.
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05-06-2007, 09:41 PM
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Living Brain Donor
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"Cheap" is a relative term.
Let's consider some of the factors.
1) It's very expensive by DR standards. Sure, but....
Let's try to calculate the millions of gallons of petrol and corresponding savings in cost to buy, that will stay in DR and not in Chavez's coffers by having hundreds of chatarras (very old cars), taken off the streets and prevented from contributing to lung cancer, etc.
2) By removing all these carcinogen causers, (chatarras), traffic will once again flow smoother, thereby saving big bucks in fuel by having cars actually move, rather than idle in one spot for hours on end. Try to calculate how much ga$ is wasted by grid lock.
3) Sooner or later, in spite of this metro sucking up $$$, that should have gone to social programs, it would've had to be built. (My only complain is that it should have been built later than sooner.)
4) This metro will invariably need to have a permanent power source. Because of that, our dear government will doubtless build redundant electrical power plants to keep it running uninterrupted. The excess power can be routed to fee the city grid.
5) How much is a gallon of gas? How much does electricity cost in terms of wattage?
When we consider all, and see the big picture, the word "cheap", is right-on!
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05-06-2007, 11:06 PM
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Understood
Rick, I understand the need now for publicos and the unions and the rest of the that. A rising tide lifts all boats. The cost WILL overrun and the time WILL overrun like it did in San Francisco, Atlanta, Dallas, Miami, Santiago, Sao Paulo and other places, but once it's built, voi la !! Suddenly the 'visonairies' are heroes. It will be after Leonel is done with his possible 08-12 run, and hopefully some other 'fulano' will keep it going if its not finished. Leonel has a vision with clarity that I find refreshing, and I know of the baggage he has to carry to get re-elected, but the man is Harvard educated, he's got a vision for the country, and I hope he has another term in office, because he can't be elected again, and he'll have nothing to lose in moving the country forward after re-election, and can tell the 'money guys' to **** off. I've seen a lot of money spent here friviously over the years, and it continues and it is very sad with all the needs in education and social programs and one could go on and on. But this very short-term vision that most Dominicans have is auto-destructive. Hopefully by the time you and I are pushing up daiseys (dead), things will slowly move to the 21st century.
Hell, I just donated and planted 500 flamboyan trees to make a flower of beauty tunnel from Sabaneta de Cangrejo to Sosua Abjao that I'll probably never to get to see in full fruition, but I don't care, because one day........
Thank you for your input....I know how aplatenado you are and I appreciate your views. Sorry for the long-windedness.
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05-06-2007, 11:55 PM
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El Leon de los Cacicazgos
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirador
It is vox populi that "L" will resign immediately upon loosing the primaries tomorrow to Danilo Medina, and will leave the presidency to the Vice President, Rafaelito Alburquerque...
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The "vox populi" have spoken and Leonel might be the "first passenger" on the metro.
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05-07-2007, 12:11 AM
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On Permanent Vacation!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Hidalgo
....can't stop the horse in the middle of the race.
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You got your saying wrong, it should read, "You don't change horses in the middle of a stream".
However, there's another proverb that says, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink".
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