Embraer Deal. No, not that Lie. The other lie.

[Ogre of the Caribbean]

Originally Posted by aegap

TX, the Super Tucano is actually more purposed built as a light attack plane than it is as a trainer. It would be considered a trainer in a first world country able to easily afford the pure jets and all that it takes to upkeep them. It's the perfect attack plane for a country like DR, which really doesn't have any military threat and must only really concern itself with the small drug runners (both in the air and on the sea).

I think that if the DR has to have an airforce, than these planes are the best choice. I hope the Wikpedia F-14 story is untrue. Those planes would be overkill for the DR and I can't imagine the DR being able to afford to maintain and fuel them.

Texas Bill, the plane has a Kelvlar armored cockpit to protect the pilot. Are you sure the rest of the plane is that suseptable to ground fire? ( I really don't know.)

I think a fully loaded Super Tucano would be more than enough for the DR. The weapon systems available for this propellor plane are mind blowing.

[Texas Bill]

Originally Posted by Ogre of the Caribbean

I think that if the DR has to have an airforce, than these planes are the best choice. I hope the Wikpedia F-14 story is untrue. Those planes would be overkill for the DR and I can't imagine the DR being able to afford to maintain and fuel them.

Texas Bill, the plane has a Kelvlar armored cockpit to protect the pilot. Are you sure the rest of the plane is that suseptable to ground fire? ( I really don't know.)

I think a fully loaded Super Tucano would be more than enough for the DR. The weapon systems available for this propellor plane are mind blowing.

Ogre:

Kevlar armour for the cockpit is a safety feature in all the "Trainers" converted for "Light Attack" uses.
I have nothing against the Super Tucano except the PRICE per copy to the DR Government that was published in the paper.
That price is US$ 3.3 MILLION more than the aircraft is publically offered for.
In quoting other aircraft of equal ability and the price range of US$ 6 million per copy, I was merely pointing out that Leonel evidently didn't give consideration through PUBLIC BID as is stipulated in his OWN REGULATIONS and law. I pointed out the fact that there are other aircraft on the market that are equal to, or better equipped. Anything else is superflous as far as I'm concerned.
I reiterate, Where is the extra US$ 26.++ Million ending up? In whose pocket will it reside? Is there more to the purchase than meets the eye?? Quesions we would ask in the normal course of events are absent along with their answers.
That's All Folks.

Texas Bill

[Hillbilly]

Jesus, Bill, don't tell me you think that someone in government might be padding the invoice, for personal benefit! My goodness!! For shame. How could they??

Oh my, Texas Bill let the cat out of the bag. Just a 50% over price for the "friends of Leonel"!!!

I agree with Monday editorial in the Diario Libre: A real translation would have said: "This country is phucked!!" (DR1 News just said "screwed" but the writer really meant the former translation!!!

HB

[Mirador]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

"This country is phucked!!" HB

I believe it was a typo, and should have read "plucked", like in chickens being prepared for the pot, 'cause that what all our journalists are, chickens, chickens that won't dare, or are too stuffed, to even cluck...

[Ogre of the Caribbean]

US Aircraft Corporation - A-67

I've been doing some research on this topic. I've found an American company that offers a very similiar plane(A -67 Dragon), but the cost is only 3.5-4 milion dollars per plane. If you click through the site, the company compares its plane to the Brazillian fighter plane. The American plane seems to be a much better financial deal.(I don't pretend to be an expert on planes, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

A post on an aviation message board stated that an F-16 fighter jet cost 18,000$ an hour to run as opposed to a turbo prop fighter plane costing just 500$ to fly per hour.

Propeller driven attack planes are becoming a very popular option for waging counter insurgency campaigns around the world.

[Ogre of the Caribbean]

Originally Posted by Texas Bill

Ogre:

Kevlar armour for the cockpit is a safety feature in all the "Trainers" converted for "Light Attack" uses.
I have nothing against the Super Tucano except the PRICE per copy to the DR Government that was published in the paper.
That price is US$ 3.3 MILLION more than the aircraft is publically offered for.
In quoting other aircraft of equal ability and the price range of US$ 6 million per copy, I was merely pointing out that Leonel evidently didn't give consideration through PUBLIC BID as is stipulated in his OWN REGULATIONS and law. I pointed out the fact that there are other aircraft on the market that are equal to, or better equipped. Anything else is superflous as far as I'm concerned.
I reiterate, Where is the extra US$ 26.++ Million ending up? In whose pocket will it reside? Is there more to the purchase than meets the eye?? Quesions we would ask in the normal course of events are absent along with their answers.
That's All Folks.

Texas Bill

I agree with you, Texas Bill. Paying 10-11 million dollars(I read as high as that per plane) for a 6.1 million dollar plane is outrageous. But Dominicans seem resigned to all this corruption. People get the government they deserve.

[cobraboy]

Originally Posted by Ogre of the Caribbean

US Aircraft Corporation - A-67

I've been doing some research on this topic. I've found an American company that offers a very similiar plane(A -67 Dragon), but the cost is only 3.5-4 milion dollars per plane. If you click through the site, the company compares its plane to the Brazillian fighter plane. The American plane seems to be a much better financial deal.(I don't pretend to be an expert on planes, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

A post on an aviation message board stated that an F-16 fighter jet cost 18,000$ an hour to run as opposed to a turbo prop fighter plane costing just 500$ to fly per hour.

Propeller driven attack planes are becoming a very popular option for waging counter insurgency campaigns around the world.

From the website, that plane is many years away from certification and production.

[Mirador]

Originally Posted by Ogre of the Caribbean

....People get the government they deserve.

would you also advocate that people deserve the government that they get

[Ogre of the Caribbean]

Originally Posted by cobraboy

From the website, that plane is many years away from certification and production.

I read on a press release that the A-67 will be built next year.

[Mirador]

According to its maker, US Aircraft Corporation, the A-67 Dragon is scheduled for release in late 2008. However, the whole aircraft had to be be redesigned after experiencing landing gear failure, for which the makers teamed up with the designer of the EMB-312 Tucano. The A-67 Dragon now looks a lot more like the Tucano. US Aircraft Corporation will be working with Geometra in Brazil and the aircraft will be based on the General aviation aircraft Kovacs K52 (which happens to look a lot like the EMB-312 Tucano). According to industry sources, the aircraft is expected to cost between $4 and $5 million a copy vs. Raytheon’s T-6 which goes for between $6 and $8 Million a copy. the A-67 Dragon will be powered by a 1,250shp Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-68 turboprop, having a 10,200lb gross-weight, and an estimated maximum cruise speed of 381kt (706km/h) at 20,000ft. Endurance will be 10h and external payload 3572 lbs.