Anti-Dominicanism in Action

[Ricardo900]

I think that was an isolated incident seen in the eyes of one person and just because it made it in an article doesn't mean that it holds major substance. I think Dominicans & Haitians co-exist together and go about there daily lives. Of course you will a$$holes on both sides but they don't represent the beliefs of the whole. I can refer to numerous incidents of Puerto Ricans bad mouthing (anti-dominicanism) dominicans calling them all kinds of THIS and all kinds of THAT. But I won't waste your time in posting their brainless dribble.

[Chip]

Originally Posted by cobraboy

Isn't the Dominican-Haitian friction pretty much like the Hatfields and McCoys? Will it ever really end?

I don't know. I'm asking...

I wouldn't say it is as ugly. The current relationship between Doms and Haitians here is somewhat similar to the Amer-Mexican relationship with regard to immigrants - with the exception that there is a lot more social interaction and intermarrying here in the DR than between Americans and illegal Mexicans in the States.

[fightfish]

Iwould suggest that there is one major difference in the relation between the Haiti-DR relationship and that of illegal Mexicans and ourselves, their U.S. hosts, and that is that the DR doesnt have much of a social saftey net, emergency services, etc for the Haitians to defraud. On the other hand, illegals in the States receive top notch emergency medical care, their kids go to public schools, and basiclaly they are treated with the same rights as a taxpaying citizen while they send their earnings back over the border. This is at obvious great expense to the US taxpayer. In the DR there isnt the level of services to defraud.

[Chip]

Originally Posted by fightfish

Iwould suggest that there is one major difference in the relation between the Haiti-DR relationship and that of illegal Mexicans and ourselves, their U.S. hosts, and that is that the DR doesnt have much of a social saftey net, emergency services, etc for the Haitians to defraud. On the other hand, illegals in the States receive top notch emergency medical care, their kids go to public schools, and basiclaly they are treated with the same rights as a taxpaying citizen while they send their earnings back over the border. This is at obvious great expense to the US taxpayer. In the DR there isnt the level of services to defraud.

While it is a law that people can't be denied emergency medical care in the States, what about follow up treatment? Who is going to pay for the medicine?

Also, you seem to ignore the fact that the cheap wages directly affects all Americans in the prices they pay for most food goods.

The fact is the immigrantion dynamic is a lot more complex that you seem to understand. A lot of Americans have been hoodwinked to think that there is a great threat from SOB since 911 when that isn't the case.

Nonetheless, with illegal immigration on the forefront of politics today it has forced the politicians to address this issue, and the fact is that inevitably we will all have to pay a lot when they finally close the border.

I am for not breaking the law but I am not for blaming what ails our country on the for the most part a hard working people. I hope to see some type of solution to get these people to some migrant worker status. Those that have no full time jobs then of course should loose privelages to be in the States. Then there is the issue of retribution to be paid. None of these will be easy to implement, but now that the box has been opened, the job has to be finished.

[Narcosis]

Originally Posted by fightfish

Iwould suggest that there is one major difference in the relation between the Haiti-DR relationship and that of illegal Mexicans and ourselves, their U.S. hosts, and that is that the DR doesnt have much of a social saftey net, emergency services, etc for the Haitians to defraud. On the other hand, illegals in the States receive top notch emergency medical care, their kids go to public schools, and basiclaly they are treated with the same rights as a taxpaying citizen while they send their earnings back over the border. This is at obvious great expense to the US taxpayer. In the DR there isnt the level of services to defraud.

Actually in the DR it is much worse. Some public hospitals see more than 80% of their budget caring for ilegal Haitians, to the point that Haitian women will cross into the DR for the sole reason to give labor.

I could just picture Lou Dobbs having an attack if that were ever to occur in the U.S.

[El sabelotó]

Originally Posted by Narcosis

I could just picture Lou Dobbs having an attack if that were ever to occur in the U.S.

Orange-based Lou "Anti-Mexican" Dobbs: "I'll fight Jesus Christ if I have to..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/bu...leonhardt.html

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Narcosis

Actually in the DR it is much worse. Some public hospitals see more than 80% of their budget caring for ilegal Haitians, to the point that Haitian women will cross into the DR for the sole reason to give labor.

I could just picture Lou Dobbs having an attack if that were ever to occur in the U.S.

Haitians contribute to the DR more than they take economically speaking.

The politicians here take all of the money - FACT. A country where in fact many politicians make more morey (in US dollars) than their counterparts do in the States. Not only that they are all but unavailable to the public.

I remember Nals actually defending that the politicians here in the DR deserve their money - well if that is the case why not the other professionals here that work for the gov't.? A nurses assistant here only makes RD9k a month and an Army major makes RD14k a month with 20 years experiance. In the States the wages would be US50 for the assistant and US80+k for the major.

[fightfish]

I understand that ILLEGAL immigration is too complex for my time here on the board. But what I was trying to say is that you cant steal water from a rock. So illegals receiving care from a 1st world medical system and public education from a 1st world education system is obviously much more costly than any bill they can run up in the DR.
I had a Haitian working for me and took him to Bornugal Hospital instead of the ´public´ butcher because of the horrible care in the public POP clinic. But, I paid for his care out of pocket.

[siegs]

Originally Posted by Narcosis

...to the point that Haitian women will cross into the DR for the sole reason to give labor.

I could just picture Lou Dobbs having an attack if that were ever to occur in the U.S.

It does indeed happen here in the US.
Better not tell Lou.

[expatsooner]

Much the same as the well off Dominican women who travel to the United States to deliver their children.

Main difference between the poor Mexican women and the well off Dominicans is the rich Dominicans can travel and stay in comfort. I've known many American passport carrying Domincans that are actually not culturally American at all, they were merely born in the U.S. in order to have citizenship but have spent all of their lives living in the D.R.

Many of those lucky enough to hold or be eligable to hold that dark blue passport have no idea to what lengths others would go in order to have those same opportunities. Traveling or even staying for six months or so in a developing country isn't enough to really see what it is like for those struggling to better their own and their children's lives.

I have never appreciated or loved America more than I do now after having spent most of the last 12 years working and living abroad.