Would love to be at the Kerry Kennedy press conference

[Hillbilly]

Supposedly, Kerry Kennedy, Bobby's daughter, will hold a press conference tomorrow.

I am wondering how the Dominican nationalists and rightists will treat her. The Kennedy name, in and of itself, is pretty potent. But she is accompanied by Sonia Pie, the Haitian, who rakes the DR over the human rights coals.

The issue is Dominican, first and foremost, so, as much as I loved and respected her father and uncle, I cannot see her anything good coming from this.

The Dominican Constitution is fairly clear on the issue of citizenship, and it seems that the issue is with the interpretation of just what "transient" and "illegal" mean.

Stay tuned. Headlines coming...

Please, no racist comments on this post. This has to do with international relations, and the interference of a US do-gooder, plus Constitutional issues.

HB

[NALs]

This will certainly be very interesting, considering that the new constitution is as clear as it can possibly be. There is no room for ambiguity. Here is the section of the new constitution of interest, the full constitution is available at the link at the end:

De la Nacionalidad

Artículo 16. Son dominicanas y dominicanos:

a) Quienes ya gocen de la nacionalidad antes de la entrada en vigor de la presente Constitución.

b) Los nacidos en el territorio nacional, con excepción de los que fueren hijos de extranjeros miembros de legaciones diplomáticas y consulares o de extranjeros que se hallaren en tránsito o residieren ilegalmente en territorio dominicano.

c) Los nacidos en el territorio nacional de padres desconocidos o apátridas.

d) Los nacidos en el territorio nacional de padres extranjeros si la legislación de su país de origen no les atribuye ninguna nacionalidad.

e) Los nacidos en el extranjero, de padre o madre dominicanos, no obstante haber adquirido, por el lugar de nacimiento, una nacionalidad distinta a la de sus padres. Una vez alcanzada la edad de dieciocho años, podrán manifestar su voluntad, ante la autoridad competente de asumir la doble nacionalidad o renunciar a una de ellas.

f) Quienes contrajeren matrimonio con un dominicano o dominicana, siempre que opten por la nacionalidad de su cónyuge y se hallen en condiciones de cumplir los requisitos impuestos por la ley.

g) Los descendientes directos de dominicanos residentes en el exterior.

h) Los naturalizados. La ley fijará las condiciones y formalidades requeridas para la naturalización.

The New Constitution

-NALs

[bob saunders]

Certainly the American government wouldn't like a prominent family member of any famous family that was not American coming to the states to openly talk about some of the controversial USA policies like renditions.....etc.

[A.Hidalgo]

They already met yesterday with the president of the Junta Central Electoral, Julio César Castaños Guzmán. From the looks of things and how Mr Castanos Guzman always conducts himself, they had a civil conversation.

Santo Domingo.- El presidente de la Junta Central Electoral, Julio César Castaños Guzmán, se reunió en la mañana de ayer con la señora Kerry Kennedy, del Centro Robert Kennedy de los Estados Unidos, y Sonia Pierre, directora del Movimiento de Mujeres Dominico Haitianas (MUHDA) con quienes trató la situación de los inmigrantes haitianos que residen en la República Dominicana.

La República - Presidente JCE recibe a Kerry Kennedy y a Sonia Pierre

[Frank the Tank]

Sonia Pierre needs should use her energies to address and improve that total disaster of a country called Haiti. It certainly needs the help. All I have to say to her and Kennedy, vete mujeres, vete!

[A.Hidalgo]

Kennedy has expressed herself and the media has reported. So far no lynching.

Santo Domingo.- La presidenta del Centro Robert Kennedy de los Estados Unidos, Kerry Kennedy, y la directora del Movimiento de Mujeres Domínico Haitianas (MUHDA), Sonia Pierre, externaron su preocupación al presidente de la Junta Central Electoral (JCE) por la situación de los inmigrantes haitianos que residen en el país sin documentos de identidad

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La República - Hija Robert Kennedy pide a JCE regular indocumentados

[Mr. Lu]

Originally Posted by NALs

This will certainly be very interesting, considering that the new constitution is as clear as it can possibly be. There is no room for ambiguity. Here is the section of the new constitution of interest, the full constitution is available at the link at the end:

De la Nacionalidad

Artículo 16. Son dominicanas y dominicanos:

a) Quienes ya gocen de la nacionalidad antes de la entrada en vigor de la presente Constitución.

b) Los nacidos en el territorio nacional, con excepción de los que fueren hijos de extranjeros miembros de legaciones diplomáticas y consulares o de extranjeros que se hallaren en tránsito o residieren ilegalmente en territorio dominicano.

c) Los nacidos en el territorio nacional de padres desconocidos o apátridas.

d) Los nacidos en el territorio nacional de padres extranjeros si la legislación de su país de origen no les atribuye ninguna nacionalidad.

e) Los nacidos en el extranjero, de padre o madre dominicanos, no obstante haber adquirido, por el lugar de nacimiento, una nacionalidad distinta a la de sus padres. Una vez alcanzada la edad de dieciocho años, podrán manifestar su voluntad, ante la autoridad competente de asumir la doble nacionalidad o renunciar a una de ellas.

f) Quienes contrajeren matrimonio con un dominicano o dominicana, siempre que opten por la nacionalidad de su cónyuge y se hallen en condiciones de cumplir los requisitos impuestos por la ley.

g) Los descendientes directos de dominicanos residentes en el exterior.

h) Los naturalizados. La ley fijará las condiciones y formalidades requeridas para la naturalización.

The New Constitution

-NALs

Isn't (D) somewhat ambiguous? Considering that many Illegal Haitian don't have documentation and aren't registered in Haitian books, therefore when they come and have children here, their children can not obtain Haitian recognition because their parents aren't recognized. Therefore isn't there a default situation for giving a Haitian child citizenship?

Also, couldn't the fact that Haiti does not recognize dual citizenship be a cause of ambiguity when a Haitian child is born in the DR. It's a tough issue.

But at the end of the day its a Dominican / Haitian issue. What's Kennedy's vested interest in this issue?




Mr. Lu

[Hillbilly]

;8>>>>>>) Long nose???? Nothing todointheUSa

HB

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lu

Isn't (D) somewhat ambiguous? Considering that many Illegal Haitian don't have documentation and aren't registered in Haitian books, therefore when they come and have children here, their children can not obtain Haitian recognition because their parents aren't recognized. Therefore isn't there a default situation for giving a Haitian child citizenship?

Also, couldn't the fact that Haiti does not recognize dual citizenship be a cause of ambiguity when a Haitian child is born in the DR. It's a tough issue.

But at the end of the day its a Dominican / Haitian issue. What's Kennedy's vested interest in this issue?




Mr. Lu

Political street cred, nothing else nothing more. Unfortunately, the Haitian people will benefit little from this more than likely.

[Mr. Lu]

Originally Posted by Chip

Political street cred, nothing else nothing more. Unfortunately, the Haitian people will benefit little from this more than likely.

I guess that is the saddest part of this all. Media prancing and in the end Haitians still have no government. No resources and no real plan to rehabilitate their country.




Mr. Lu