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Old 04-05-2004, 01:59 PM
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Question Exploitation, Remittances and the Dominicans Diaspora in the Exterior

An article was published on April 5, 2004 by the Washington Post (www.washingtonpost.com) on the role of remittances in developing countries. It highlights the concerns of Dominican Americans. In the states people must go without in order to provide for families in the Dominican Republic.

For example, post-9/11 New York City took a very strong economic hit. This is where 600,000 of the 1 million Dominicans live in the US. Many people lost jobs, housing, etc. and struggled to make ends meet. Yet, remittances to the Dominican Republic (2 billion out of the 38 billion cited below) remained unaffected regardless of the state of affairs in the US. This is reflective of an inelastic demand that pulls people within the states to do for Dominicans (vis a vis their family members) what the DR government continually fails to do: provide for its citizenry at the cost of exploitation -- sacrifice with no return investment and no evidence of improvement.

The question is how can we effect change so that this exploitation can cease? What is needed and required to make effective, stable and responsive government that addresses the needs to Dominicans in DR.
Look forward to reading your ideas. Constructive criticism is always welcome...as long as it is provided in a constructive manner.

Best.

FYI: Article Citiation
Garcia, Michelle. "For Some Immigrants, a Balancing Act Funds Sent to Needy Families Back Home Exact a Price." Washington Post, April 5, 2004; Page A03, Washington, DC. Link: www.washingtonpost.com
Article is available for free for approximately the next 30 days.

To Robert: My apologies for inappropriately posting the article, trust it will not occur again. I was unaware that this was a copyright issue. Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa.

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well, the Dominican Republic is a country in its own dimension. There were many dominican related things that were unaffected by 9/11. The best example would be American Airlines. It just so happens that American Airlines most profitable route is the JFK-SDQ (New York - Santo Domingo) route. No surprise there, since just about every plane bounded for Santo Domingo from New York is always chock full every time with out fail. Then September 11th came, and that was the only route that American Airlines was making money of from, for a very long time after the attacks. To further show how inelastic the dominican transnational portion of its economy is, the American Airlines plane that crashed in Queens two months after the attacks, this plane was chock full of dominicans headed to Santo Domingo and the Airline DID NOT LOSE MONEY on the days that followed.

I understand that American Airlines does have a sort of monopoly when it comes to travel from NY to SDQ, but there are still other airlines that dominicans could've taken and yet, American remain on top, simply because the planes carry the word American I might add. The only thing that would make dominicans stop sending money back to their relatives is when their relatives living standards become higher than the expats in NY. Of course, remittances will cease to exist because every dominican will be back on the island living the life that most of them dream every night. It's like I said, the Dominican Republic is a country of a league of its own.
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Old 04-13-2004, 12:18 PM
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Hi Nal

Yes, I lost 11 family and friends on that flight. You are correct on the inelasticty of this route. Your latter point on remittances is also well taken and is precisely my concern. Where is the line between needs and wants drawn and at the financial expense of whom is my question.

Dominican-Americans cannot afford to continue stablizing DR. When this income stream ceases to exist (and it will with the years) the country will not be able to handle the loss of income if things continue as is.

Thanks for your thoughts on the matter.

Best.

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To further show how inelastic the dominican transnational portion of its economy is, the American Airlines plane that crashed in Queens two months after the attacks, this plane was chock full of dominicans headed to Santo Domingo and the Airline DID NOT LOSE MONEY on the days that followed.

The only thing that would make dominicans stop sending money back to their relatives is when their relatives living standards become higher than the expats in NY. Of course, remittances will cease to exist because every dominican will be back on the island living the life that most of them dream every night. It's like I said, the Dominican Republic is a country of a league of its own.
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Old 04-13-2004, 01:17 PM
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I am not an economist but am interested in this topic.

You mentioned that Dominican Americans will soon no longer be able to maintain stability in DR with their remittances. Could it be possible that the remittances could slow down but many educated selfmade Dominicans in the US could return to DR for early retirments after having amassed substantial fortunes. These people would have money to spend and invest to aid the economy and could possibly change the country by getting involved politically.

Also, many of the children of expatriates in the DR could become educated and effect changes politically and economically.

And how about the present generation of Dominican baseball players. In a few years there could be quite a few multimillionaires returning to DR.

It would be ideal if the DR could attract these people back to the DR and the result could be the creation of more jobs so that that people could support themselves working without the heavy need for so remittances.
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Old 04-13-2004, 02:21 PM
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Deelt:

I admire your lust for economic and social justice for the DR, but once you start to move beyond your idealistic moment in life (I'm assuming you are a college student), you will realize things are not as easy as they seem.

The only thing that will improve life on the island is economic growth.

Forget about politics and ideals, it is money that will cause change here nothing else.

What we must strive to do is create a circle of power where the market will decide the political agenda of the country and not the other way around.

Politics is a game and there are people that live off this game and will continue to do so because it is part of democracy. It is real easy for a party to have a populist message especially in the third-world, but that is the biggest fiasco, and we must overcome this mirage.

To think you can make a change politically is nice but you must realize Dominicans abroad are helping their family not the country, that is the reason for the inelasticity of this phenomenon. This is no more than a stop-gap measure to solve the day to day needs of loved ones on the island. The political clout behind Dominicans abroad is limited because of this.

We need Dominicans abroad to not look towards politics but more towards economy. For example Dominicans can consume more products from the island. Ask local supermarkets in their area to import Dominican produce, coffee and other consumer goods.

A pro-active way to help is to promote the DR as a tourist destination to fellow Americans. Inform them of all the positive aspects of the country and encourage them to visit and leave the AI resort and explore and learn about our history which is the history of Americans as well.

My point is Dominicans abroad need to forget about terms such as "exploitation" "fault" etc and be more pro-active and cause change economically without the need for direct political intervention.
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Old 04-13-2004, 02:51 PM
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Thanks Chris for your contribution, but what you say is hopeful thinking.

Current emigration trends are very, very low (estimated at 2,800 Dominicans/year are said to return to DR but many come back to the US). I think we are kidding ourselves if we keep thinking that Dominican-Americans will want to return to DR permanently for a few reasons. 1) women hold a lower social class status in DR (over 50% of Dominicans in the US are female); 2) the family structure by default will become more ingrained in the US with time (e.g. you want to see your grandchildren grow, etc.) (I think a great indicator of this is how many deceased people of Dominican descent are being buried in DR vs the states); 3) US Dominicans are viewed and treated negatively in the island (explointing us for money, kind of how expats feel when they are taken for a ride); 4) US Dominicans are becoming more accustomed to norms/ammenities found in the states; and 5) there is only limited space/capacity and resources in the island.

The percentage of expat children and baseball players I would be willing to say is negligible in the scope of things. There are many millionaires in DR now that can and over time could have improve(d) things but they don't. Many of the activities they participate are in self-preservation of their fortunes. There is nothing to suggest that this will change. The social cultural difference is manifested through the practice of social exclusion. This is how the elite class is preserved. When the fortunes of those millionaires is affected through the devaluation of their peso it is then you hear that the economic state of the "country" must be improved.

I do think that for Dominicans in the states to want to invest in DR there must be a stable economy, dependable infrastructure, legitimate rule of law and respect for intellectual property that does not currently exists. At the end of the day, I think that government must be held accountable and corruption must be dimished so that funds are allocated more equitably and be appropriately invested, not going to the pockets of political affiliates. I am not an economist, but this is what makes sense from a rational perspective.

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Originally Posted by Chris_NJ
I am not an economist but am interested in this topic.

You mentioned that Dominican Americans will soon no longer be able to maintain stability in DR with their remittances. Could it be possible that the remittances could slow down but many educated selfmade Dominicans in the US could return to DR for early retirments after having amassed substantial fortunes. These people would have money to spend and invest to aid the economy and could possibly change the country by getting involved politically.

Also, many of the children of expatriates in the DR could become educated and effect changes politically and economically.

And how about the present generation of Dominican baseball players. In a few years there could be quite a few multimillionaires returning to DR.

It would be ideal if the DR could attract these people back to the DR and the result could be the creation of more jobs so that that people could support themselves working without the heavy need for so remittances.

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Old 04-13-2004, 03:26 PM
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Hi Narcosis

Glad you could join us today. While I would love to return to my youthful days as a college student, I treasure more the work I do now as a full grown adult. Thanks for the compliment I'll put it right up there with my being asked for id at a bar. I assumed you were in B-school/college, as well.

You refer to political populist theories. No, I am not partisan. I will support progressive thinkers if and when they are actually doing good work to improve the economic growth of the country as a whole and ensure equitable distribution of resources.

On the inelasticity issue...precisely my point. I think you are wrong on the potential of the Dominican-Am clout. I think the tide is changing. My point is that this will tamper off because Dominican-Americans (who happen to live on average on $11,000 per capita-year) will want to develop a stable life environment in the US for their families. They want to be able to have the house, the car, invest to save, pay to send their kids to college, etc., esp. as the generational gap widens. The Dominican government can't think that Dominican-Americans will continue to serve as their constant backbone.

On investing in DR goods, point taken and yes, I agree as long as it is in fact benefiting Dominicans. Look at all the expats here who are benefitting from DR. I am pro-dominicans on profits, labor conditions, environmental preservation, etc. Tourism is not as beneficial as you think. This is not the catch all. Sorry. Look at Jamaica. People who go to resorts tend to stay in resorts and not mix with the locals. It mainly benefits the owners of these resorts. The other benefits are really marginal and often come at the cost of unsustainable development and environmental degradation. Learning about Dominican culture is a beautiful idea, but it does not pay the electric bill, so to speak, on behalf of a country.

Not calling exploitation by it's name is trying to euphemistically covering up reality. I don't know about you, but I am very grounded.

Good ideas though keep them rolling.


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Deelt:

I admire your lust for economic and social justice for the DR, but once you start to move beyond your idealistic moment in life (I'm assuming you are a college student),

To think you can make a change politically is nice but you must realize
Dominicans abroad are helping their family not the country, that is the reason for the inelasticity of this phenomenon. This is no more than a stop-gap measure to solve the day to day needs of loved ones on the island. The political clout behind Dominicans abroad is limited because of this.

We need Dominicans abroad to not look towards politics but more towards economy. For example Dominicans can consume more products from the island. Ask local supermarkets in their area to import Dominican produce, coffee and other consumer goods.

A pro-active way to help is to promote the DR as a tourist destination to fellow Americans. Inform them of all the positive aspects of the country and encourage them to visit and leave the AI resort and explore and learn about our history which is the history of Americans as well.

My point is Dominicans abroad need to forget about terms such as "exploitation" "fault" etc and be more pro-active and cause change economically without the need for direct political intervention.
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Old 04-13-2004, 06:52 PM
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I'm sorry for the American Airlines incident, if it brought bad memories to you. It was a dark chapter in Dominican aviation history. I do see your point, but I felt that I had to give those reasons to show the people that are not familiar with dominican economic way of doing things.

There is one thing that people are not saying as a possible factor in the Dominican Republic failing to attract it's sons and daughters that it has lost via migration, and that is the Haitian immigration. I don't mean this in a racist context, but the influx of impoverished (in skills, money, and hispanic values- which is something that is very important in the Dominican Republic) haitians into the DR does have a negative effect on the economy of the country. Of course, the country doesn't need more unskilled laborers, but that is not the real problem. The problem is that in the sector of the economy where Haitians qualify for labor (sugar cane cutting, house cleaning, etc.) the wages are falling rapidly. Haitians will do the same job a dominican does for much less, thus that brings down the living standards. Many dominicans refuse to do certain jobs primarily because of the lousy pay which in some cases is due to the cheaper Haitian labor. Those dominicans that won't work for such jobs, further limit their economic outlook and constantly tell their relatives abroad how things have gotten worse with no jobs, however, there are lots of jobs in the very unskilled sector, but it's all taken by low wage Haitians. Unless the dominican government either takes more control of the border region or educate the Haitians into accepting better pay, this problem will be a major factor in the decision of foreign dominicans to move back home, especially if they are planning to come home to start a business or work for a while.
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Old 04-13-2004, 07:04 PM
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this problem will be a major factor in the decision of foreign dominicans to move back home, especially if they are planning to come home to start a business or work for a while.
I agree that the reduction of wages is a serious problem for unskilled workers in DR, but I think most Dominicans returning home would not be affected as they would have their sights on something higher than unskilled labor. If they were to start their own businesses, wouldn't cheaper wages lower their costs and increase the profitability?
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Old 04-13-2004, 07:24 PM
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The pride of Dominicans is their own downfall. They would rather not do the work it take and earn the money they need to survive is their choice. However, they put pressure on the backs of Dominican-Americans making minimum wage (or less) to do the same type of labor here in the US and have us send the money back. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either you need the money or you don't.

If Dominicans were to take the jobs, Haitians would find other avenues to make money, mainly leaving the country or selling goods. Haitians are not taking anything that is not freely being given. This is the same issue in the states. Without immigration, the US would not be where it is financially. That is a fact. A report by the Federal Bank assessed that the economic growth observed in New York City was directly caused by and correlated with the influx of immigration. Similarly, I would venture to say that the Dominican Republic has grown economically on the backs of Haitians and have continuously used them as an scapegoat to cover up for their own political deficiencies, poor planning, and corruptive practices/impacts.

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The problem is that in the sector of the economy where Haitians qualify for labor (sugar cane cutting, house cleaning, etc.) the wages are falling rapidly. Haitians will do the same job a dominican does for much less, thus that brings down the living standards. Many dominicans refuse to do certain jobs primarily because of the lousy pay which in some cases is due to the cheaper Haitian labor. Those dominicans that won't work for such jobs, further limit their economic outlook and constantly tell their relatives abroad how things have gotten worse with no jobs, however, there are lots of jobs in the very unskilled sector, but it's all taken by low wage Haitians. Unless the dominican government either takes more control of the border region or educate the Haitians into accepting better pay, this problem will be a major factor in the decision of foreign dominicans to move back home, especially if they are planning to come home to start a business or work for a while.
 

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