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Old 01-15-2009, 10:36 PM
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I can't believe all the hatred I have read on this topic.. ...
Must must not have READ it if you feel there is hate.
Some people tried to share their view... believe me, some of them have been there-done that big time and even written books about it! They know.
She asked, she got truthful replies. You/her likes it or not, that's a different deal.

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I m sure she knows all the risks of moving to a foreign, poor country....
Is it really reading her questions and answers which have led you to believe that? I don't even think she has claimed she'd know all the risks. She's been smart enough to ask... well, broadly at least.


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And for the guys... Well aren't most men (no matter where you come from) dogs???
Well, I am a man and I am not ashame to hand you that one, I agree. But I think that what some tried to hint, was that most local men not only are that, but tend to glorify the idea to become pimps or something along the line. And this IS a regional phenomenon which is exceptionally prevalent especially around the touristy Coastal area of this island (but it's not the only one either). There is even a term to describe that "culture": Sankie. You can read about it all over this and other Forums.

Jo, Jo:
Having saved a couple of grands around age 30 is not any way near to be rich. Moving to a country, the trip alone, getting set up before having at least a basic income, buying the minimum of house hold stuff... well, advancing a month or two, does cost something.
Your flight, your application for a resident permit (which you need to be emplyed legally), a deposit first and last month rent on an apartment, some food and a few concho rides (you do know what a concho is?) a day to seek work.... How much do you think that ads up to? At the end, you may want to safe keep an additional grand on top of it, so you have a way to exit and get back where home was...
Add it up and you tell me if the posters above were so far off... and that's a strict minimum, no mather where you go.

I have moved inter-continentally several times in my life. EVERY time, it has been a major "investment" or better said advance expense. Maybe it's not moving to a poor country which costs, it's simply MOVING to a remote location which does.

Some, me including, may have tried to hint to you, that well, this may be a third world country, but don't be surprised that being able to speak English will not give you the attention you may have gotten 100 years ago if you had brought an empty coke bottle or a broken off piece of mirror glass to some remote community in the Amazonian rain forest (I kidding a little with you there, OK? )
We have a country just about two jet hours North of us full of folks which believe to speak English quite well. Many of them have found their way down here.
Also, the first second language Dominicans aim to learn, is... English too. And then, they do speak Spanish.

So, as others and I believe myself tried to hint, in order for you do earn fairly quickly a salary which will allow you a somewhat, yes only somewhat, comfortable life, living in a SAFE area, with some electricity, water (still, only some too), eating correctly and still being able to ENJOY some Caribbean live style... you will have to bring some REALLY good qualifications.

I am an engineer, speak four languages and a couple of dialects fluently, including Spanish, have lived in Latin America and many other countries... believe me, it's not an easy environment.

On the other hand. I can share this with you:
When I was living in Ecuador and the political situation in the mid '90's there became a little too whacky, I traveled for business to Dallas an met what would later be a great friend and mentor to me. This gentleman is quite a bit older than me and works very successfully in the music business. He acted also in the old Dallas TV series. Anyway, he noticed that I was enjoying my time in Texas and thru our discussions, I think that he could pick up that I was somewhat unsure about my future in Ecuador and thus "looking". One evening he told me one thing: "J-D, I know it's not easy to immigrate to the US and I know you would be one who would only do it the legal way. But I know, it can be done because it is being done. I think that I know you now well enough to say that If you really want it, I know you can do it.".
A year later, we (I was married, had a baby son and another one in the making), really HAD to leave EC. We proceeded to sell off what ever we could save and our only options were to go back to my country of origin or try something else. We tried something else. It was not easy, but we managed, became legal and had a marvelous 6 years in the US which proved very rewarding in many ways, including business.

What I am trying to tell you, is that if you heed the advice you have been given here, and which you may find reading other present and old threads among the many sections of this Forum in a positive and constructive way and PREPARE yourself accordingly, and you are really willing to bring a lot of sacrifice (and yes, that's money too) you CAN do it.
Just always keep your exits in sight and don't slam the door on the way out.

... J-D.
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Old 01-16-2009, 12:56 AM
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I can't believe all the hatred I have read on this topic.. :
I am not sure who you refer to MrsJ when you say "hatred" but if you refer to mine let me respond by saying I would be showing hatred if I responded in the menner which you describe below. By being 'pleasant' & "happy for her" I would be doing her a tremendous disservice & THAT would be showing hatred to someone I have not even met yet!!

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Leave the girl alone.. I m sure she knows all the risks of moving to a foreign, poor country. Why can't you guys just be happy for her that she wants to try and live somewhere else rather then the UK. :
I am DELIGHTED she wishes to live somewhere else rather than the UK - I KNOW that feeling only too well!! Read on .........

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Yes- it will be hard, but if you haven't tried it then you wouldn't know right? You always learn from your mistakes but you wouldn't know if it is a mistake until you tried it. It is also a life experience which is also an education of life.:
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If you want to be rich then the DR is probably not for you.:
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A lot of people move to different countries with basic language skills and still make it.. :
I HAVE tried it, I DIDN'T have Spanish when I arrived, I HAVE learned by my mistakes AND by seeing the mistakes of many others that came after me. I consider that I HAVE succeeded and although I will never be rich FINANCIALLY, I have been fortunate to become 'financially comfortable' & RICH in being accepted by many Dominicans.

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I am sure that a lot of people would love to try but don't have the "balls" to do it. :
Absolutely true ........... A many have had 'The Balls' but failed miserably because they were not correctly prepared for the pitfalls that beset all of us when we come in to a third world country. It is with the intention of making the OP 'CORRECTLY PREPARED' that I wrote as I did - with a CONSIDERED response.

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Instead of all this hatred why can't you just try and be nice and give some positive feedback rather then being so pessimistic... :
See all above! If the OP can fight through 'The Pessimistic' (but honest) responses, then she will be far more prepared AND ABLE to succeed here.

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I am sure that she will get on well and that things will work out great. :
If you feel THAT strongly about her success here MrsJ, I am sure a commitment here to offer a guaranteed financial loan to support her should she get into problems after 4 or 5 months, would be greatly appreciated by JOJO!!

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And for the guys... Well aren't most men (no matter where you come from) dogs???
Yeah ....... but ain't that why you girls love us?? ~ Grahame.
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Old 01-16-2009, 01:34 AM
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Aw c'mon guys, Mrs. J, first post, joined today, makes an atypical first post for a new poster, has to be a sock puppet. I'm sure the ISP could be checked if it was sufficiently important to do so. That's all I have to say about her/him because the person who matters is JO JO.

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If I move 2 DR I will HAVE 2 survive on the wages I make working there.............I ain't got nothing else.
Then don't do it, not until you have some savings. It'd be too big a risk. Save up for a year, get extra work in London - the DR will still be here.

When we moved here from UK over 16 years ago we brought US$3000 which went a lot further here then. And jobs were easier to get then. And there were still times when we were a bit on the hungry side or needed to barter language lessons for supper. Yes really. Didn't do us any harm (I needed to lose some weight anyway ) and we survived and thrived BUT life has changed here quite a bit in the intervening period. So we speak as people who have experienced how tough it can be, which is, of course, not on a par with how tough it can be for the locals.

Make your plans, save your money, work like crazy in the UK. If it's something you really want it is worth waiting until you are not putting yourself at risk.
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Old 01-16-2009, 01:54 AM
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Aw c'mon guys, Mrs. J, first post, joined today, makes an atypical first post for a new poster, has to be a sock puppet. I'm sure the ISP could be checked if it was sufficiently important to do so.
You mean to say that I put in all that thought process for nothing?? Jings, do some people not realise how much effort we put in even at this late hour, to give sane & reasoned information? ?

Maybe it is JOJO's Mother wanting us to be nice to her daughter? My suggestion about the loan guarantee will be accepted then if it IS her Mother!! ~ Grahame.
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Old 01-16-2009, 08:00 AM
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perhaps Mrs J would like to join my knitting circle lol
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Old 01-16-2009, 09:01 AM
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JoJOo - if you are still reading, and have not popped off to the expat boards for Mexico and/or Costa Rico, perhaps you might tell us what your Master's degree is in? That might help... But really, since you only want to be here for a year, and since your Spanish isn't that great, and since you don't have any capital (which would be needed if you were going to START a business), then perhaps the best way for you to get out of the UK is to get certified as a Teacher of English as a Foreign Language and check on the many, many websites that offer jobs. Then you will HAVE a job, and housing and a year's contract and be able to get out of the UK.


Or maybe your Masters is in something that the folks down here really need?
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:36 PM
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Hiya

First of all Mrs J is not my mother! I am new on the site and dont understand any of what u guys just meant about sock puppet etc......

Anyway thanks again!

Funny what someone said about me checking out Mexico and Costa Rico.......The thought did cross my mind


My qualifications.......
Well I have A levels in English, Psychology and Art. I have a degree in Graphic design and a Masters In Graphic design.

I teach Spanish students English in London - one to one, but have no specific teaching qualification.

I have work experience in PR, Design, Customer services, fundraising, Personal assistant to 4 directors, waitress and & more!!

So are you saying if I do get a semi decent job I will be able to live on my wages? For example Ateacher, a nanny, a Office manager, a PA etc???

Mi Espanol es no perfecto, pero aprendo mas cada dia y practico mucho. Tengo intentar, porque mi gusta La Republica Dominicana. Estoy muy agradecida por tu ayuda!! Creerme amigos!
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Old 01-16-2009, 04:21 PM
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I would be quite suprised if you walked into an office management job, lots more experienced and qualified people here loking for stuff like that. A teaching salary will not make you enough to support yourself, I hate to tell you but unless you have other income it is extremely unlikely that you will pick up anything other than debt from your visit.
I know a few people who pay the rent with savings from back home and try to exist day to day on what you can earn, maybe that will be a better option. Bring a few 000's with you to pay the rent and get on with it. Remember that the chances of finding work at all is low so the more savings the better. Or as mentioned, do a weekend TEFL course and go somewhere else that allows you to live on a wage.

Good luck!
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Old 01-16-2009, 07:38 PM
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Of course I want to join your knitting club...lol... Maybe in the DR???

Oh well I cant be asked arguing with you guys.. All I got to say is that it is good that you guys warn JoJo about the risks and that it probably aint easy however it would also be nice for you guys to say something positive about the DR.. Or give some advice on different job sites or where to look for a job etc...
It seems like you guys thinks that the DR is a horrible country... And if that is the case why do you live in the DR??

It is probably a lot of peeps that has failed but also a lot of people who have succeeded so I guess its a gamble.. But it is also a gamble of everything you do in life.. And yes I do agree that you need some extra cash with you in case of emergency and also a return ticket home (or call your parents for some extra cash...lol..)

JoJo you go for it girl if you ready to try something new... I am a foreigner in a foreign country and I made it... So why wouldn't you?? It is a struggle at first but if you are determent enough then go for it

Much Love to All of you

PS: Give me some info about the knitting club I am sooooooo interested....lol..
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Old 01-16-2009, 07:38 PM
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Gee, besides all the advices(warnings) I have seen just one person given her real advice as to how to start.

Trust me, get certified as an english teacher in the UK
send me an e-mail
and I will put you in contact with a good friend of mine who either can give you work, or send you in the path to work.
It is not as hard.. as it seems
room and board will set you back around
RD$ 7,000 a month..(yo do the math)
(sharing an apartment with another roommate)
It can be found easier than it sounds.
Of course, I am refering to santiago
not the north or the east coast
but, that's a start
you can always relocate later if you want.
do not bring a futon or bed,instead,
save that money
yo are sure to find a bed cheaper than the cost of bringing your own..


Bienvenida a la Republica Dominicana,
tenga mucho cuidado, y saquele provecho a su estadia
es una experiencia inolvidable el poder viajar
y vivir en un pais diferente.
Te lo digo, basado en mi experiencia personal.
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