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Old 11-05-2004, 08:18 PM
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It sounds like a condo complex or neighborhood of approx. 200 homes/apts with an upfront cost of 40-50 thousand could be " free " from the grid. And, thus, independent from the woes of power outages that plague the country. Certainly seems as though the costs would be easily recaptured over a short time frame. Is this so? Or am I missing something? John
Wind turbines have been powering 1000s of homes for many years now.
A good wind site is the secret. Needless to say that downtown SD is
not the proper site for such turbines. Try visiting the official website
of Danish windmills. The info listed is worth the time... Georgios.
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Old 11-05-2004, 08:41 PM
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This thread is skating dangerously close to being an unpaid ad. I'm considering closing it.

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Old 11-05-2004, 08:50 PM
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This thread is skating dangerously close to being an unpaid ad. I'm considering closing it.

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Only trying to make life better in the DR. When this product is ready for
marketing this will become a paid ad on the DR1. Hope I get a good rate.
Thanks for allowing me to post this thread...Georgios.
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Old 11-05-2004, 09:09 PM
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Why do i get shivers up my spine when someone says 100% reliable?

I have yet to own a machine that hasn't blown up. Except my toyota pickup.... oh well.
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Old 11-06-2004, 10:11 AM
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please let it play out.

Other than the dubious pricing it has potential. No joke intended.

A French company is building a multi-passenger car that was able to travel ~100 miles on compressed air. http://www.howstuffworks.com/news-item106.htm

The air pressure was closer to 5K psi, most likely because of the size necessary to fit in a smaller package. Those types of mechanics are much more expensive today. (No market). Hopefully there will be one when we become a hydrogen economy.

georgios' idea could allow for larger containment vessel therefore lower pressures. If he could point me toward an ‘engine’ that would convert the compressed gas to mechanical motion to drive a generator I would be convinced.

I would rather see his ‘turbine’ used in electrolysis and produce hydrogen, but that is ‘tomorrow’.
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Old 11-06-2004, 10:17 AM
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Ahhh google.

If the whole car cost $10K USD then the engine should be in the $2K region.

Very plausible.
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Old 11-06-2004, 12:18 PM
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please let it play out.

Other than the dubious pricing it has potential. No joke intended.

A French company is building a multi-passenger car that was able to travel ~100 miles on compressed air. http://www.howstuffworks.com/news-item106.htm

The air pressure was closer to 5K psi, most likely because of the size necessary to fit in a smaller package. Those types of mechanics are much more expensive today. (No market). Hopefully there will be one when we become a hydrogen economy.

georgios' idea could allow for larger containment vessel therefore lower pressures. If he could point me toward an ‘engine’ that would convert the compressed gas to mechanical motion to drive a generator I would be convinced.

I would rather see his ‘turbine’ used in electrolysis and produce hydrogen, but that is ‘tomorrow’.

Robert is not the moderator of the Environment Forum, I am. Although as the Big Boss, he is free to intervene at any time. In fact, I am surprised he did not do so before now, since his trigger finger is sometimes itchier than mine.

I think I have been quite relaxed so far about letting this thread "play out" -- I am just warning against it becoming one extended marketing effort. So far, in my judgment, it hasn't -- but it seemed like it might be headed there, hence the prior post.

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Old 11-06-2004, 04:49 PM
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Hi,
thanks a lot for these very frank information many people might be interested in ... frankly spoken the only doubt, concern I still have, how this stuff of air storage vessel should work as a suitable mean to "store" energy ... but ok, I am not expert enough in order to give myself a reasonable judgment. Any further clarification regarding that point would surely help many other readers of that thread as well. Is this possible ?! And still my question, whether such a suggested system might also suitable for a SME's energy needs ?!

Benny
An air storage vessel is a tank filled with compressed air, just like a propane
tank is filled with compressed propane. Of course, the size of this vessel is
propably 300 times bigger than a propane tank and approx 10 times more
in pressure. Usually a propane tank is pressurized about 150 psi where the
air vessel pressure is elevated to 1550 psi.
This high pressure allows for high volume of compressed air to be stored.
Air motors use compressed air to run at approx 90 psi. An example of an air motor is the air gun used by car mechanics to remove the wheels of a car.
A similar air motor (but bigger) will, when coupled, turn a generator motor
at 1800 RPM to produce electricity. A couple of clarifications;
a. RPM means rotations per minute
b. psi means pounds per square inch

Surerly, a larger air vessel can provide power for SME's. Example.
Since 1971 in Germany, An old coal mine is used to store a VAST amount
of compressed airto be used at high peak hours to satisfy high demand
of electricity. Its a great idea. The americans are now following suit.
A similar project is underway somewhere in Ohio. In case of a black-out this
facility can run the state of Ohio for several hours.

Hope to answer your questions...regards Georgios.
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Old 11-06-2004, 04:56 PM
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Why do i get shivers up my spine when someone says 100% reliable?

I have yet to own a machine that hasn't blown up. Except my toyota pickup.... oh well.
100% reliable is wrong. I stand corrected...thanks. I should say then 99%
reliable...you never know but for sure more reliable than a toyota anyway.
Why I say that? Because I happen to drive a Mercedes which is also 99%
reliable IF maintained on time, every time...Georgios.
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Old 11-06-2004, 06:40 PM
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didnt mean to be cynical with the 100% remark....

I actually think it is a great idea, but what is the efficency? and how does that compare to battery bank storage...

also why the extremely high pressure requiring a 2 stage compressor? why not just build a larger cheaper tank?

I have almost no airmotor experience but the ones i have seen are very noisy.
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