Global Warming: True or a Hoax?

[sjh]

If you see a man running away from a freshly burglarized house dressed in black, wearing a mask, and carrying a big bag over his shoulder you instantly make a theory as to who is at fault.

while you dont have proof he did it, you can jump to a conclusion in an emergency and make the arrest based on probable cause.

All of the above effects you mention have time cycles less than 100,000 years while the ice records go back many times farther. In no case have we EVER seen anything close to modern CO2 levels in the last several hundred thousand years..

[cobraboy]

Originally Posted by sjh

First: the trend pattern showing CO2 levels and climate temperature is very very clear and well documented over something like 300,000 years.

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This is a formula for disaster.
Only people working for Big oil/coal deny what is happening.

Man, I've heard every theory and moonbat talk about all this Global Warming stuff for years.

But they never discuss the obvious: maybe the sun is going into a "hot" cycle. THAT would explain a lot. Ockam's Razor. Charts show increases in CO2 FOLLOWS rise in temperature, not preceeds it. And there is an 11 year sun cycle. Someone please explain how OUR increase in CO2 levels are effecting Mars and Venus' concurrent "warming" with the earth.

Disclaimer: I do not now, or ever have, worked for one of those eeeeeevil oil or coal companies, although I DO consume their products.

I might suggest State of Fear by Michael Crichton for a well-documented discussion of Global Warming complete with stats and charts...BOTH sides of the "argument". And it won't put you to sleep.

Here is an interesting video, but I caution Global Warming True Believers should firmly put duct tape firmly around your head, as it may explode while viewing: The Great Global Warming Swindle (warning: 1 hr, 15 mins...)

One thing I HAVE observed: Global Warming seems to come around this time every year...

(On Another Related Note)

I think Global Warming is actually a religion. It has all the necessary components:

-A Diety: Mother Earth Gaia

-A Savior: Algore

-A Future Apocalyptic Event if folks don't convert and believe: Rising sea levels, heat, misery, death, destruction, pestilence, dogs and cats sleeping with each other, cockroaches as big as SUV's, etc.

-A Method of Redemption: give government the authority to rule lives by eliminating Greenhouse Gases.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by cobraboy

I might suggest State of Fear by Michael Crichton for a well-documented discussion of Global Warming complete with stats and charts...BOTH sides of the "argument". And it won't put you to sleep.

A fun book - fiction I believe? You base your conclusions on fiction? Don't get me wrong, I like the book. One thing I noticed though and it is topical now. I quote: "A large high-pressure mass was beginning to rotate, forming the ragged beginnings of a hurricane." People that work with weather understands that hurricanes form from a low pressure. So, fiction indeed it is! Any Scientific basis? hell no, its a rock-rolling adventure science fiction thing!

Originally Posted by cobraboy

Here is an interesting video, but I caution Global Warming True Believers should firmly put duct tape firmly around your head, as it may explode while viewing: The Great Global Warming Swindle (warning: 1 hr, 15 mins...)

Why on earth would I watch a television documentary from a producer where the Independent Television Commission (UK) found four scientists who had been "misled" and their views "distorted by selective editing" - and this was his previous documentary. After the film was shown, Monbiot again debunked it - as it was based on already debunked science. They're more interested in controversy than science. That is what television is all about - It is not an educational media by any stretch of the imagination now, is it? And I put more faith in Monbiot that in Channel 4's television producers.

Originally Posted by cobraboy

One thing I HAVE observed: Global Warming seems to come around this time every year...

You must be really young. I cannot remember the words climate change or global warming coming up in anything but scientific circles even as short as 6 years ago. Damn! Must be my short term memory that is going.

Originally Posted by cobraboy

I think Global Warming is actually a religion. It has all the necessary components:
-A Diety: Mother Earth Gaia
-A Savior: Algore
-A Future Apocalyptic Event if folks don't convert and believe: Rising sea levels, heat, misery, death, destruction, pestilence, dogs and cats sleeping with each other, cockroaches as big as SUV's, etc.
-A Method of Redemption: give government the authority to rule lives by eliminating Greenhouse Gases.

Interesting! A religion? Well, I'm not of that religion. Al Gore is not my saviour, the Earth is not my God/Goddess and the future apocalyptic event is not future any longer. It is reality now if you talk to farmers, fishermen and people deeply involved with the land. But its fine if you don't believe in climate change or global warming or think it is a natural cycle. Keep on believing that! I won't ever try and convince you to believe otherwise. Unfortunately your arse is going to burn just as much as mine

Let me add something -- if you base your conclusions on fiction and television documentaries, I don't believe you either.

[Rafael Rothschild]

The CO2 levels are and have been created by nature since the existance of the universe. We are not sure what does specifically increases CO2 levels.
There are new theories which claim that water vapor raising from the oceans create this increse.

We do not know, what the CO2 levels on earth where 2, 3 or 30 million years ago.

So, please stop talking about "religion" and let's refer to the known facts.

[Rafael Rothschild]

and... by the way... I do not work for the government, oil, chemical or any other industry who could influence my analysis based on known facts

[A.Hidalgo]

Originally Posted by Rafael Rothschild

All the claims about human activities being responsible for Global Warming are only theories.

Perhaps looking up the scientific meaning of what a theory is may be helpful in clearing up some things.

Theory
A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.

Glossary of scientific terms

[Rafael Rothschild]

After reading some of the posts here, I refer to the original questions posted by NALS:

What is your opinion about Global Warming; is it real or is it a fad.

My answer is, I believe, very very clear. I only hope some others were, as well

[Rafael Rothschild]

Hidlago:

Are you saying that relativity is still a theory? or
Are you sure that global warming is being created by human activity?

which is it?

[cobraboy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Let me add something -- if you base your conclusions on fiction and television documentaries, I don't believe you either.

Chris, someone, somewhere, has extracted your sense of humor.

One needs to open their minds to find truth. The GW True believrs do not tolerate that.

And why not take a peek at that TV documentary? Skeered? You saw Algore's little documentary, didn't you? Afraid of the "other" side?

Besides, I may be older than you are...

No comment about the sun cycles?

[cobraboy]

(I love these DR related threads. They never get deleted or closed...)