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Old 08-16-2007, 02:12 AM
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OK, you win Keith.

So, you are telling me that my post#10 is a farse?

Are you really telling me that the facts stated in post#10 do not happen?

And, if they do, how do you explain your previous comments?

I'm really sick and tired (yes) of ignorant people, who do not read what they should, and still make an argument based on novels.

I think you really should close this thread, because there is not much more I could add.
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:26 AM
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I think you really should close this thread, because there is not much more I could add.
Oh dear! Perhaps I can add something. These things are not absolute, but there are ambiguities. This science is not absolute - science is not absolute. Our survival surely depends on our ability to adapt, no? Kinda like Adapt or Die! So, how about you do some learning RR?
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:34 AM
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RR, if you persist in calling everyone who disagrees with your opinion "ignorant," I will edit/delete your posts. Understood? No need to close the thread because you can't keep it civil.

I did not rely on novels for my points, so I am not certain as to what you refer. I happen to have been following this debate since the WMO convened the first panel of scientists back in the 1980s and the IPCC was subsequently formed. Read the IPPC reports @ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change prepared by scientists, not a science fiction writer like Michael Crichton. Even trimmed back as they were by the governmental "reviewers," the latest assessments are backed with enough data and supporting research to make anyone reading them with an open mind to accept that anthropogenic impacts are real and in all likelihood accelerating and deepening the warming trend. We might debate which and how much and how fast, but most who have studied the issue in-depth have concluded that the data and trend cannot be explained solely by natural phenomena such as solar activity and cosmic rays.

Much of what we have to do for climate change mitigation and adaptation are things we probably should be doing anyway, such as switching to cleaner fuels, adopting more efficient engines/electronics/electrical devices, conserving electricity, closing/converting open-air trash dumps (which emit methane), slowing and stopping deforestation...so why not take such steps even if we are not yet sure of the magnitude and precise timing of the probable negative impacts of global climate change?

In an earlier post (#68), you somewhat cavalierly say at least you won't be around to see it happen. Makes me wonder if you have kids. I do. And if the scientists are anywhere near correct in their latest projections, my children will see the negative impacts. I may not live to see it all, but they will, and that matters to me.
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:42 AM
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Fair enough. but you did not respond to my question about post#10.

Do you belive it's fiction or fact?

Simple question
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:45 AM
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Fair enough. but you did not respond to my question about post#10.

Do you belive it's fiction or fact?

Simple question
Your post #10 seems to be quoting extensively from an outside source. Care to divulge it?
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:49 AM
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I did, Planet Earth ICE AGES by Winston Chorlon and the Editors of Time-Life Books
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:53 AM
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Ah. A Time-Life book printed before 25 years of extensive climate research. You consider that solid ground?

Have you ever compared a science textbook from 25 years ago to one printed today?
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:56 AM
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By all means, I have never heard the Ice Age explanation in any of the arguments, political or otherwise. Have you?
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:59 AM
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Climate theory and modeling has progressed alot over the past 25 years (as has most areas of science). You need to check some more recent sources.
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Old 08-16-2007, 03:05 AM
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There is a theory, which I don't share, that claims that the actual scare of global warming, is directed exclusively to developing countries, in order to limit their own development.

I refuse to accept such machiavelic mind, but.... who knows
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