Global Warming: True or a Hoax?

[Rafael Rothschild]

I will be very happy to check any text books that you recommend

[Rafael Rothschild]

But.. remember... only text books

[Keith R]

Originally Posted by Rafael Rothschild

There is a theory, which I don't share, that claims that the actual scare of global warming, is directed exclusively to developing countries, in order to limit their own development.

I refuse to accept such machiavelic mind, but.... who knows

Well, I refuse to believe that mitigating and adapting to global climate change automatically means reduced economic growth. I instead tend to think that it means retooled growth.

You will find advocates of the climate-change-as-plot-to-stop-us-from-catching-up theory among government officials in China and India. I have always thought that it was a bit self-serving for them to take that attitude, since they usually used it as an excuse to develop whatever way they please and damn the consequences for the rest of the world.

It used to be quite common among Brazilian officials too, but they recently have done some of their own research on the subject and it has scared the bejesus out of Brasilia. But it lingers on with some officials, who, for example, automatically equate "developed" economic status with matching the energy intensity per capita levels of the OECD nations. I suspect that a Brazil can get to a similar quality of life without having to repeat every one of our mistakes in industrial development (see prior comments about more energy and fuel efficient products, managing waste properly, etc).

[Keith R]

Originally Posted by Rafael Rothschild

But.. remember... only text books

Interesting limitation, since textbooks usually lag cutting-edge science by 4-5 yrs. Do you only trust what Harper-Collins or Time-Life tells you is so?

[Rafael Rothschild]

You believe that they can get a similar quality of life without having to repeat every one of the mistakes we made.

Sorry I do not, They are only humans

[Keith R]

Originally Posted by Rafael Rothschild

You believe that they can get a similar quality of life without having to repeat every one of the mistakes we made.

Sorry I do not, They are only humans

Yes, but presumably humans can learn from the mistakes of others.

[Rafael Rothschild]

Hey Keith:

enough is enough, post#10 (whether you believe it or not) is not disputed by any scientist I know. If you know one who does, please let me know.

[Rafael Rothschild]

Yeah, sure, like we have learned from 5000 years of war, cultural, religious and political differences

[Keith R]

Originally Posted by Rafael Rothschild

Hey Keith:

enough is enough, post#10 (whether you believe it or not) is not disputed by any scientist I know. If you know one who does, please let me know.

Well, frankly, as moderator here, I get to decide when enough is enough, not you.

You don't seem to have been paying close attention to my post (#68) in which I said:

the latest assessments are backed with enough data and supporting research to make anyone reading them with an open mind to accept that anthropogenic impacts are real and in all likelihood accelerating and deepening the warming trend. We might debate which and how much and how fast, but most who have studied the issue in-depth have concluded that the data and trend cannot be explained solely by natural phenomena such as solar activity and cosmic rays.

(emphasis added so you catch it this time)

Translation: yes, there are natural phenomena and trends in play, but man is screwing around with it.

[Keith R]

Originally Posted by Rafael Rothschild

Yeah, sure, like we have learned from 5000 years of war, cultural, religious and political differences

Actually, if you examine each of those areas, you will find significant changes in each over the centuries. There has been a learning curve.

I was speaking of economic activity. Do you honestly wish to tell me that economic activity today has not progressed one iota from Neanderthal Man? I beg to differ.