Disagreements over the Science Behind Global Climate Change

[Texas Bill]

All thidiscussion iswell and good. It has offered the opportunity for the advocates of the causitive factors of "global warming" and the opponents of that scenario to offer their own and supported(???) commentaries.
What I have found to be missing is this:

1) Not so much as what do we do about "global warming", which has been agreed upon by all, but rather, how do we mitigate ths phenomenon that we all face?
2) Are we establishing alternatives with which to combat the situation, or are we merely assuming the enevitability of such taking place with no solutions in sight?
3) Supposing that the World Community has no really effective solutions, or cannot agree upon a set of solutions to reverse the trends, what do we do now?
4) Are we prepared to move our food productive capacity to effectively combat the cunumbrum of a world-wide starvation scenario, an elimination of rain forest destructions taking place, a population relocation?
This is the planning we should be concerned with rather than trying to solve nature's cyclic occasions.

As a world of thinking people, we should begin to put some of our efforts toward solving those problems instead of bickering back and forth as to who is correct or not correct.
I'll just say that there is plenty of evidence in being which supports both sides of the dilemma we are faced with and for which there is no clear cut solution available.
Both sides can argue til you're blue in the face, but in the end the problem is still there and unsolvable at thepresent time.
In the meantime there is no effort being made to mitigate the otherproblem we are face with....Tha of survivability of the human race in theface of such a disasterous situation.

Texas Bill

[Keith R]

Bill, FYI, for many weeks now there has been a separate thread to addressmany of the issues you're raising:
What the DR Can/Should Do Regarding Global Climate Change

[Chris]

And just because I know someone is going to say ... "there has been a snowstorm in Canada so Climate Change must be a hoax", I looked at some information.

It's not just hot air; climate change could also mean more snow

This report presents a simple and understandable picture and that is why I chose it amongst many others, even though it is written by a student journalist.

"Of course, one winter season can’t be taken as an indication of future climate patterns. This year's average winter temperatures will probably end up 2-2.5 degrees Fahrenheit below normal, Di Maio said.
But this season’s precipitation levels, combined with atypical temperature fluctuations, reflect what climate experts say will be some of the side effects of global warming. A study released last December by the group Environment Illinois suggests global warming will result in more extreme rain and snowfall as warmer temperatures speed up evaporation and allow clouds to hold more precipitation. "

If you want to see a more complex picture, here it is from the Canadian Meterological Service.

Snow, Water Resources and Climate Change

"Snow cover is an integrated response to both temperature and precipitation and exhibits strong negative correlations with air temperature in most areas with a seasonal snow cover. Because of this temperature association, Global Climate Model (GCM) simulations suggest widespread reductions in snow cover over the next 50-100 years in response to increased levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (see animation below)."

In everything that I looked at, I learnt that apparently snow is very hard to measure accurately. (I don't know whether I know less about the Catholic Church, or less about snow).

[MommC]

Originally Posted by Chris

And just because I know someone is going to say ... "there has been a snowstorm in Canada so Climate Change must be a hoax", I looked at some information............

"Of course, one winter season can’t be taken as an indication of future climate patterns. This year's average winter temperatures will probably end up 2-2.5 degrees Fahrenheit below normal, Di Maio said.
But this season’s precipitation levels, combined with atypical temperature fluctuations, reflect what climate experts say will be some of the side effects of global warming.

In everything that I looked at, I learnt that apparently snow is very hard to measure accurately. (I don't know whether I know less about the Catholic Church, or less about snow).

All I can tell you about snow....is that for the last 15-20 years there hasn't been as much of it as there was when I was growing up, however from what I've heard and seen on the news and in pictures - this year is just like I remember it 45+ yrs ago (see I'm not giving away my age!!)

[cobraboy]

Originally Posted by Chris

In everything that I looked at, I learnt that apparently snow is very hard to measure accurately.

All precipitation is hard to measure, as is moisture in the atmosphere. This fact is a major flaw in the Alarmist Science of MMGW.

It's hard to predict the future of something you can't, and never have been able, to measure.

And water vapor is THE #1 GH.

[Keith R]

The posts about the Catholic Church's announcement today that they view polluting as a mortal have been moved to a separate thread.

[cobraboy]

Global Warming Claims Unsupported by Facts (link)

Friday, March 14, 2008 11:40 AM

By: Philip V. Brennan


(Who woulda thunk it???)

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[bob saunders]

Originally Posted by Chris

Who woulda thunk that you read the crap that you read. And more than that, post it??? Wtf. Every single and combined person that you quote here, are more or less already tainted with the 'stuck on stupid' label.

Why is something that you don't agree with "CRAP" There are numerous well educated scientists from many countries that doubt the methods used by the scientists in IPCC, and there are numerous that support the IPCC. Is one group more knowledgeable than the other? Highly debatable, just like MMGS and global warming. You really loose your debating points when you resort to insults.

[MommC]

Troubling Lack of Science Behind Global Warming Claims | cooler heads

I think this article pokes holes in a great number of 'theories' which after all is what 'global warming' really is - a THEORY!

[MommC]

Shot down again......

The Questionable Science Behind the Global Warming Scare - by Joseph Bast - Global Warming Facts