What the DR Can/Should Do Regarding Global Climate Change

[Chip]

Originally Posted by aegap

Yes, they will. The process can be made largely carbon neutral.

Hydrogen may well become another great alternative.

fun trivia: the Untied Statesproduces more fuel ethanol than Brazil. It's actually the largest producer in the world.

The United States Ethanol Market 2007



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No they won't - if they become carbon neutral, they will cease to be what they are, carbon polymers.

[aegap]

Natural Gas wouldn't, even though it's way less polluting than gasoline and coal. Thanks to the plant cycle,sugarcane derived ethanol can virtually eliminated the amount of net carbon released to the atmosphere. Not only that, it also releases a great net amount of yummy oxygen.

Not to mention how much it reduces most of the TRUE pollutant from the petroleum to gasoline process (i.e. those that gravely affect human health), which are most intensive in the refining process and the unburnt gasoline.

[Chip]

Originally Posted by aegap

Natural Gas wouldn't, even though it's way less polluting than gasoline and coal. Thanks to the plant cycle,sugarcane derived ethanol can virtually eliminated the amount of net carbon released to the atmosphere. Not only that, it also releases a great net amount of yummy oxygen.

Not to mention how much it reduces most of the TRUE pollutant from the petroleum to gasoline process (i.e. those that gravely affect human health), which are most intensive in the refining process and the unburnt gasoline.

Sorry aegap you are wrong, Ethanol is a carbon polymer, CH3CH2OH, C2H5OH and for every molecule that is combusted (which is composed of 2 carbon atoms), 2 molecules of CO2 are produced:

C2H5OH + 3 O2 → 2 CO2 + 3 H2O

Also, you are wrong about Ethanol releasing oxygen during combustion, rather, it requires oxyegen and produces CO2 and water, much like petroleum.

In petroleum, for every molecule(which is composed of 8 atoms on average), 6 molecules of CO2 and two of CO are produced.

[aegap]

your leaving one crucial part of sugarcane derived ethanol, which is actually growing the sugarcane..

[Keith R]

Sigh. I guess now I am going to have to create a biofuel thread too, if you two (and others) wish to continue on that topic. BUT IN THIS THREAD, STAY ON TOPIC. [yes, I am shouting]

[Keith R]

Okay, surgery done, and as predicted it was quite difficult to split the thread given the tools available to the moderator. I am sure that there will be complaints about how it was done -- always are from somebody, such is the life of a moderator. But there is now a separate thread that can focus on the debate over the science behind global climate change, whereas this one will focus on what the DR should do in relation to global climate change.

As has been stated before, and I will re-state one last time: rants, diatribes, name-calling, p!ssing matches, etc. will be edited/deleted or if that does not work, the poster banned altogether. In going over the original thread again, I can see how out-of-hand it got on both sides of the argument.

At least one poster has told me in a recent PM that he does not care about civility. Tough! I do, and I am the moderator of this forum until Robert says otherwise, so live with it. If you can't, don't bother posting in this forum.

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Keith R

Okay, surgery done, and as predicted it was quite difficult to split the thread given the tools available to the moderator. I am sure that there will be complaints about how it was done -- always are from somebody, such is the life of a moderator. But there is now a separate thread that can focus on the debate over the science behind global climate change, whereas this one will focus on what the DR should do in relation to global climate change.

As has been stated before, and I will re-state one last time: rants, diatribes, name-calling, p!ssing matches, etc. will be edited/deleted or if that does not work, the poster banned altogether. In going over the original thread again, I can see how out-of-hand it got on both sides of the argument.

At least one poster has told me in a recent PM that he does not care about civility. Tough! I do, and I am the moderator of this forum until Robert says otherwise, so live with it. If you can't, don't bother posting in this forum.

Would shouting be considered civil???!!!!

All truth be told Keith, discussing ethanol is relavant to the DR and global warming, as it's resources may be used for ethanol production and it is therefore essential to have some basic facts straight.

All I can say to you aegap is that basic chemistry agrees with me, and the photosenthis has nothing to do with the situation because existing crops would be converted to ethanol production.

[aegap]

Ok, I'll go first. DR should take advantage of all the hype about climate change eminating from developed countries (EU, Australia, U.S, etc.)and use it to make money and create jobs!

[Keith R]

Originally Posted by Chip

Would shouting be considered civil???!!!!

awwwwriiiiigggghhhttt wise guy No, but "herding cats" (as Robert calls it) can require the patience of Job!

[Keith R]

Originally Posted by aegap

Ok, I'll go first. DR should take advantage of all the hype about climate change eminating from developed countries (EU, Australia, U.S, etc.)and use it to make money and create jobs!

If they can do it through CDM or JI projects, I'm okay with that, particularly if they help with other goals (energy security, increasing energy & fuel efficiency, reducing air emissions (not just of GHG), combating deforestation, cleaning up the DR's waste dumps, etc.).