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[Skippy1]

Ok well if you really want to know.
I do not take my shopping home in a plactic bag I refuse to use them. I take a large box or ask for one.
I never buy food from a place that serves it in a styrene container. If I ever go to MacDonalds which is amost never I would eat in and save on the wasted pakaging.
For items that one has no choice but to dispose of like plastic bottles I crush as small as I can. At home I used to compost all vegetable and mineral waste.... there is absolutely no reason why Dominicans cant do the same. If it was possibe here I would recycle as much paper, glass and metal as i could.
It is actually a big industry in other countries and for some its very profitable.
I would never throw rubbish in the street or on the beach for that matter use the bins where I can find them if not take my rubbish back home with me.
Can I ask you if you have actually looked at the pictures I mentioned?????? I would be very interested to know...It would tell me more about you than anything else for two reasons.....

1. if you have seen them then you have not commented and therefore you are either not bothered or indifferent.
2. If you havent seen them then you are also indifferent and not bothered. as they have been refered to in this post with a link a few times.

I will reverse the question to you now

Chris What do you do with your rubbish????

Skippy1

Doing nothing is just as bad as commiting the crime.... in my opinion.

[Chris]

Are you misunderstanding the question Skippy? My English was not the best in that sentence, so, I'm going to repeat it and phrase it better ...

how would you dispose of the trash that you see in the pictures? What would you actually do, to dispose of it in 'a friendly way'?

I think you are talking about what you see in your home country and have no clue or idea what happens in the DR or what the mechanisms are.

And Squat .. your last sentence "Now, why is it that they are so "clean" for their shirts, their shoes & their jeepeta, but so dirty when it comes to everything else ? Because, as a matter of fact, it is their space too..."

Perhaps you should look closer at finding the answers to that, instead of making bad taste remarks and generalizing against Dominican people as a whole. If you don't understand it, I'll try and reverse the comment. I think all the people where you come from stink!

[Skippy1]

Chris, I do live here and I do know about some of the issues,
I have been to many beaches here and seen the shameful way the people treat the golden goose so to speak...(you think the people come here for your Bachata?)

For styrene there is no easy answer other than incinerate which has problems of its own ie toxic fumes.....but its better to burn than leave to rot (which could take 200 years) imagine coming back here in 2108 and having to walk over that in the pictures and another 100 years of it.
If you are going to do something practicle then urge the government to ban this type of packaging its not needed and there are many alternative especially recycled waste paper. The plastic carrier bag is the scurge of the planet dont use them they are what will kill us all off eventually they never rot and will be here like dinosaur bones if the planet lasts that long.
Can anyone remember what they used before Plastic??

CHP units (combined heat and power) are used to generate electricity and heat hot water in a lot of countries. They are relatively cheap to build and run. They would solve alot of the problems with rising fuel costs here too and reduce the need to import coal gas or oil to light and power homes. This problem is the same for all Caribbean countries but some are better at dealing with it than others. Cayman Islands for example are not as polluted as here and they are smaller than DR with less Tourists to help finance it but they still find a way of recycling as much as they can.

I am glad you saw the pictures......I am sure it did not make you proud of your fellow Domincan who did this...its quite simply a crime and an outrage ...why am I the only one upset by this???????
Not one post in support of me or sharing my anger.....you are right its not even my country.
Come on Dominicans Do something before its too late. POVERTY is NOT an EXCUSE.
The people leaving all their food and rubbish on the beach are not the poor they are the so called educated and rich who can afford the 100,000 us dollar jeepeta and own the nice Casaron in Samtiago or Santo Domingo. I watch many educated Dominicans Doctors lawyer et al throwing rubbish out the car window as they dirve by.
The man who changes the oil in his car and then pours the old oil on the ground......where does he think that will end up......in the water courses is where and all of us will drink his crime oneday eventually.
Its not sustainable and its about time people saw the light.
OOOh dear went off into a rant sorry I think I will go and lie down for a bit....LOL

Skippy1

[Squat]

I agree completely with the above post !
It is an honest analyse, good job Skippy1 for your straight talk !

For Chris... I don't know... Pretending issues don't exist doesn't help to find solutions... No offence anyway...

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Skippy1

I am glad you saw the pictures......I am sure it did not make you proud of your fellow Domincan who did this...its quite simply a crime and an outrage ...why am I the only one upset by this???????
Not one post in support of me or sharing my anger.....you are right its not even my country.

Perhaps because most of the rest of us have long since turned any anger into positive action.

Now, do you know how many incinerators the DR has? Working ones I mean? To dispose of the trash in the pictures in a 'friendly' way?

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Squat

For Chris... I don't know... Pretending issues don't exist doesn't help to find solutions... No offence anyway...

I don't think I ever did that in terms of trash in the DR. You are the one that gave offense by calling Dominicans dirty!

So Skippy1, besides outrage, what you have you done about trash in the DR. And Squat, what have you done besides insulting others?

[Skippy1]

Originally Posted by Chris

I don't think I ever did that in terms of trash in the DR. You are the one that gave offense by calling Dominicans dirty!

So Skippy1, besides outrage, what you have you done about trash in the DR. And Squat, what have you done besides insulting others?

Chris I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt earlier but now you are making me feel ...

I was right first time.......how about you answer my question What do you do???????

Besides outrage......ok posted here called numerous times to various departments to get them to try and clean up.
Wrote an article for the Green Team.
Started two threads on the subject.
Sent pictures to the TV channels and newspapers in Santo Domingo...
Surprise surprise none of them are interested.
I think they are too ashamed to want anyone to know about it it hits too hard and too deep into the mindset of the Dominican people.

My next step is to take this internationally and contact Friends of the Earth maybe they can take it up with the Dominican Gov directly. Maybe get some media interest outside DR warn some tourists what they are likely to expect if they stray from the tourist tracks.

My real and utter disgust is the Dominican people do not care.
Look for yourself and tell me how many posters have come back and said here is the number to call or wow this is really bad I am going to do something about it. Even you Chris have never once condemed this as an act of vandalism on the nation of the Dominican Republic prefering to try and excuse it...WHY?

Oh and please no more avoiding the questions and reversing them you answer some for me......

Skippy1

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Skippy1

how about you answer my question What do you do???????

Do a search Skippy1. No, I'm not into condemning, I'm into helping to fix stuff.

[Skippy1]

search on what?

[gurabenogringas]

wow. what a post.
it's very easy to send pictures to the news. to write an article for a blog. to start two threads on message boards. it's a lot harder to re-educate a nation of people who are used to being cleaned up after. rich people have maids that clean their houses, schoolkids have a woman who cleans the schoolyard, even offices have cleaning people who take care of the mess.

the government has just re-configured the amount of hours that high school seniors need to complete of community service. before they had to serve 50 hours in any government office. Now, they need to serve 30 in an office (or whatever) and 30 in a reforestation project. small step, but a step in the right direction.

in santiago there is a foundation doing "trash re-education" in barrio nuevo (no, not pueblo nuevo, barrio nuevo) where they are actually entering people's houses and teaching them about waste and waste disposal. they are raising money to pay the trash collection. and offering rewards for the cleanest streets.

universidad ISA here in santiago is also doing trash and recycling education for school kids. they're even doing water testing and teaching the kids about contamination. for free.

so, if we're really concerned, shouldn't we stop writing and start acting? what does it cost to teach people? nothing. i know it's not easy, but complaining or generalizing isn't going to help anyone.