Waste Waste Wate Waste Waste And Waste

[Skippy1]

Originally Posted by Lambada

And this applies to any situation here, not just trash solutions. Going in enthusiastically yet humbly seems to achieve things, though. But before one can do that one has to rid oneself of any missionary zeal that one 'knows best' and sometimes that can take new expats a while to achieve. So maybe it is better to wait a while until the anger subsides and the helping effort is genuinely facilitative & enabling? All the while knowing that one's frustration IS understood by other expats.

I would like to turn this around if I can ........when the DR come looking for aid and funding from the western countries they would be in a very long line of hopeful ambasadors but never the less with low expectations of success.
The poverty angle is what gets them to the table but the lack of self awareness and self initiative is what gets them the door very quickly.
Like I said many times I am not here because I have to be or because I have no where else to go. I am here to work ad when my work is done I will go home and count my money like most Ex Pat workers. I will take a nice long holiday somewhere exotic with my wife and we will then look for the next project. You (as in the people not personal) have to live like this here and its your problem not mine.

Ihave no missionary Zeal just anger and rage that people can be so stupid and abuse not just the land but the very people who live off of it.

I am done posting on this subject.
Should the river ever get cleaned up by some eco fairy I will let you all know.
Skippy1

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Skippy1

Be as sensitive and as compasionate as you like but the big bad world outside is not a place of just dinner parties, cocktails and sunny barbeques on the beach. Its big bad mean old world where sensitivity counts for nothing when you are trying to compete for scarce resources, jobs and investment. Its a place where you die if your skin colour doesn't fit or you religion is not accepted. Even if you have a Harvard degree and a masters in double speak and deception.

Yes Skippy, I know.

Back to trash in the DR. I would suggest again to read a lot on the board before you run off half cocked. We all make that mistake initially. There is a lot of material in the forums as well as in the Green Team Blogs. We are fortunate to have Keith who is an authority on this issue. It would be a pity if you compound the initial and very common mistake that we all make and NOT learn from the collective wisdom of the board.

Now, I've given you a good and best practical (in the Dominican Republic) way to deal with the river. In the absence of any other practical method, how about it? I'll be in the DR in a few more weeks (still uncertain of exact dates) and if we can co-ordinate, I'll help pick up. (Getting tired of all the cocktails that I'm consuming and all that Harvard Talk!) In the mean time, try and find out by talking to the local folks who the culprits are and get an idea if the stuff is toxic.

Some other folks could tell you perhaps how to get some television coverage. I never watch so I have no idea who is who in that specific zoo. In terms of newspaper coverage, if we have our part very clean and we know what we are doing, we can get that.

So, in short ...
Gather some eco groups that are interested and can get their constituencies to help - find a Dominican spokesman that would like to make this issue their own.
Gather some gringos that are interested.
Organize in terms of possible permits and authorities and safety of picker-uppers.
Think about television and newspaper coverage.
Find out if the stuff is toxic and what the 'picker-uppers' would need and set this together.
Set a date.

[Chris]

No need! Carry on

[Chirimoya]

I may be mistaken, but it sounds like he's decided not to take the constructive advice from Keith, Chris, gurabenogringas and others on this thread.

I've seen the newspapers covering this exact issue (the accumulation of rubbish in Arroyo Hondo) over the years, and I believe that local Junta de Vecinos in the area have tried to do something about it. They may well have given up, but someone with new energy might be able to reignite the fight.

[Skippy1]

Originally Posted by Chirimoya

I may be mistaken, but it sounds like he's decided not to take the constructive advice from Keith, Chris, gurabenogringas and others on this thread.

I've seen the newspapers covering this exact issue (the accumulation of rubbish in Arroyo Hondo) over the years, and I believe that local Junta de Vecinos in the area have tried to do something about it. They may well have given up, but someone with new energy might be able to reignite the fight.

Just realised some posters are more concerned with their own status than actual advise. This board is quite long and has been running awhile yet the only contributors except Keith who I do have a lot of respect for. are ones who want to pick fights with newbies about etiquete.
It is easy to see the really concerned from the die hard do nothings....its your home you do what you like with it just dont expect me to say nice things to rest of the world about DR and its Green ethics...resident indigenous expat or tourist. The ladies that lunch dont have to worry the cucumber sandwiches will be along soon.

Skippy1

[Lambada]

Originally Posted by Chris

So, in short ...
Gather some eco groups that are interested and can get their constituencies to help - find a Dominican spokesman that would like to make this issue their own.
Gather some gringos that are interested.
Organize in terms of possible permits and authorities and safety of picker-uppers.
Think about television and newspaper coverage.
Find out if the stuff is toxic and what the 'picker-uppers' would need and set this together.
Set a date.

Originally Posted by Chirimoya

I may be mistaken, but it sounds like he's decided not to take the constructive advice from Keith, Chris, gurabenogringas and others on this thread.

Originally Posted by Skippy1

I am here to work ad when my work is done I will go home and count my money like most Ex Pat workers.

After you with the cucumber sandwiches, Chiri...........

[Skippy1]

Originally Posted by Lambada

After you with the cucumber sandwiches, Chiri...........

Ever had the situation where you are writing a long reply to a poster, then have to go back to correct something only to find when you come out and back to the board there are three more replies???????

As for the cucumber sandwiches you can have them all they repeat on me.

You might have a better constitution

Skippy1

[Chirimoya]

Well, Skippy, whatever. We only have your posts here to go by.

While you probably won't take the trouble to look through the Green Team, forum and blog archives here, hundreds of posters know better than to label others as 'die hard do nothings'. Give me a lecture in etiquette to an unfounded insult any day.

And a Pimms and lemonade, while you're at it, Lambada

[BushBaby]

Originally Posted by Skippy1

Just realised some posters are more concerned with their own status than actual advise. This board is quite long and has been running awhile yet the only contributors except Keith who I do have a lot of respect for. are ones who want to pick fights with newbies about etiquete.
It is easy to see the really concerned from the die hard do nothings....its your home you do what you like with it just dont expect me to say nice things to rest of the world about DR and its Green ethics...resident indigenous expat or tourist. The ladies that lunch dont have to worry the cucumber sandwiches will be along soon.

Skippy1

Skippy1
I have absolutely NO interest in my own status on DR1 - I have upset Chris, Robert, AnnaC plus many more over the years & doubtless will do so again. I have NOT read this thread in total & (wanting to keep an open mind) will not do so in that I am more than interested in what YOU have to say about your past involvement & ideas for the future for the area of your concern!

I have PM'd someone before on this matter of Sosua & Cabarete rubbish/garbage etc & can easily resurrect his responses - like you say, more mouth than trousers & when faced with reality he responded with things like:
"Your ideas are just words - I need ACTION" (which he couldn't attract himself)
"I KNOW my ideas are best & I want to control the whole thing" (then fell by the wayside)
"You are a conceited Old F*^t (probably true but we DO get some things done!!) who knows nothing about the problems of Sosua"!!

PLEASE write me a PM or e-Mail with your (probably now reconsidered) ideas & suggestions & maybe I can put you in touch with one or two people who will be able to influence your ideas into practice. ~ Grahame.

[Skippy1]

Originally Posted by Chirimoya

Well, Skippy, whatever. We only have your posts here to go by.

While you probably won't take the trouble to look through the Green Team, forum and blog archives here, hundreds of posters know better than to label others as 'die hard do nothings'. Give me a lecture in etiquette to an unfounded insult any day.

And a Pimms and lemonade, while you're at it, Lambada

I did take the time and if you ever get to talk with Keith ask him about my Pm to him about it........dont just think I only talk with people through the visible board. Like I said before its your mess and its your problem.....

Unfounded in your opinion as you say......I have my own views as you have yours but I would not try to suppress your right to hold them or voice them.

Pimms and lemonade come on thats sooooo..... 80's keep up girls the world is passing you by.

Skippy1