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Originally Posted by mountainannie
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and I went to your link
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Which link are you referring to?
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I thought you were the top Greenie here
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I'm not sure what a "top Greenie" is, much less whether I qualify. But I am concerned about the environment, including global climate change. But just because I am concerned about the environment does not mean I have to leave aside any skepticism or not apply careful analysis and instead unquestionably embrace anything and everything calling itself "pro-environment," "environment-friendly," "green," "climate-friendly" or "climate-neutral."
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did you even go to the link that I posted?
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I don't have to. I am familiar with TerraPass -- and most of the carbon offset programs on the market, for that matter.
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so we ought to just talk talk talk about it?
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Did I say that?
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but really be leary about any of the programs that are set up to do something?
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I think if one spends time looking carefully at the issue of offsets, one finds that there are plenty of people with strong green credentials who are skeptical of them. The reasons are several, starting with the very premise: some argue that they are designed more to make people feel good and think that they're "doing something" than actually mitigate greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions in any meaningful fashion. Some (including George Manbiot) even have equated them with the Church's old practice of offering the purchase of "indulgences." I don't totally subscribe to that theory, although looking at some of the programs out there, I think maybe some indeed are designed more as feel-good measures that keep us from seriously examining our practices and behavior.
Beyond that, many programs are not transparent, accountable and/or additional (i.e., they support mitigation efforts that might not have occurred without the investment, thus actually add true offset). Some have loose criteria for what qualifies as an offset. And in some programs it has been found that the same offsets may be resold over and over.
Generally, my attitude is that offsets are better than doing nothing at all, but should not be an easy substitute for contemplating and changing behaviors that contribute to climate change, and they should be selected with the eye of a skeptical and careful consumer, researching particular programs first before putting money into them.