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Tony C · #1 03-05-2002, 08:38 AM

In the living section of the DR1 foums there is a tread abot the standard of living in the DR. In some of the Posts people are saying that the DR is in need of a JFK type individual to lead them. Now I know that this will probobly infuriate some people but what was so great about JFK? I am of the belief that if hadn't been assasinated he would have gone down as one of the worst presidents in US history.
Lets go over some of Highlites of JFK's life.
He Married a suspected NAZI spy. Which was quickly annulled by his father.
He manages to get a PT boat that has a top speed of almost 50 kts., run over by a WWI vintage Japanese Destroyer. How does a Destroyer sneak up on you anyway? For this he is made a war hero.
He makes a deal with organize crime to rig the West Virginia Primary. Thus saving his floundering campaign.
He stands by and does nothing while the Soviets build the Berlin Wall.
He pledeges support to the Cuban Freedom Fighters at the Bay Of Pigs then stands buy as they are slaughtered and captured. He then pays Fidel ransom for their release. Then he blames the CIA.
He steps up US involvement in Vietnam.
A few of the Things that the JFK lovers like to credit him with are not of his creation. NASA's race to the moon and the Goverment's move on Civil Rights were all planned and started by the Eisenhower administration.
He appoints his Brother Attorney General. The chief of law enforcement in the US. He does a great job. So good His Brother gets assasinated under his watch.
BTW. JFK was in Dallas because he needed to start campaigning early for re-election. Why? Because he had the Lowest approval rating of any president in US history.
His Assasination was a terrible tragedy in US History but I refuse to annoint him with the almost God-like status that many have.

Tony C.

Janice · #2 03-05-2002, 11:34 AM

Tony

Knowing people like you have deluded ideas about Kennedy and his ideals only raises my conciousness as to his greatness.

If all things were fair, you would be alloted only about 2 seconds of your entire life to comment on him (Kennedy)

we know from your postings you are a bitter Anti Castro Miami/Cuban, why try and fool anyone with your rhetoric?

Janice

Tony C · #3 03-05-2002, 11:45 AM

I am Cuban
I am from Miami
I am Anti-Castro.

When did any of these become sins?

Why don't you try to prove me wrong? The facts speak for themselves!

Tony C.

Janice · #4 03-05-2002, 11:47 AM

Tony

You know you have twisted the "story" of JFK as far as possible, but there are some truths to what you say

My Father Worked with Al Lowenstein and EMK so I got to know the history and family somewhat.

The "50knot plus" PT boat was idling while the men were swimming, a well known fact. JFK rightly could have been court martialed for that act, it was the heroics he performed AFTER the sinking that he is distinguished for.

The Bay of pigs, I would like to explain away by saying he acted on information provided, but stoires I read of American Bombers circling just off the coast and being unable to answer the please of Americans and Cubans being killed was ultimately JFK's responsibility

As for NASA, IKE didn't know which end of a rocket pointed up, Ike got us into Vietnam, with his agreemenst with the French, not Kennedy

Paul Thate · #5 03-05-2002, 12:59 PM

Janice
Tony is right on with his assesment on JFK.
History has allready judged him to be a mediocre president.
You call his remarks sputtering and blame him for being anti Castro.?
How can you be pro Castro . the man is a bandit and a human rights violator who belongs in prison.
For being Cuban, which is really immaterial.
You maybe can blame him for living in Miami.
but not everyone can live here.

Janice · #6 03-05-2002, 01:17 PM

Paul

If you read my post I didn't say there was anything wrong with being Cuban, Anti Castro or living in Miami. I simply stated that Tony should post a "disclaimer" as to why he posted his anti Kennedy rehetoric; it's only purpose was to inflame, infuriate or cause discontent

How many people do you think have reformulated there opinion on JFK based on Tony's or your opionion?

What history do you cite as declaring JFK "Mdeiocre"?

I'm sure you can find lists that place him fro one of the greatest to one of the worst, if you pick apart certain instances (Cuban Missles) I believe he acted in a capacity than no President before or since could have acheived, but you can take the Bay of Pigs and say he was indecisive and unwilling....It's quite inpossible to jude a Presidency on an abbreviated term, one must look at individual acts and few rise to JFK's stature

Paul Thate · #7 03-05-2002, 01:29 PM

Janice thats exactly why I answered your post
Your need for an disclaimer because of these points were unjust.

I agree with Tony's assessment and none of these
points are applying to me.

I am not Cuban , not bitter
extremely happy to live here.

Political middle of the road. Surely not a of the chart right winger.

Janice · #8 03-05-2002, 01:40 PM

Care to point out my "unjust" or inaccurate points?"

Janice

Marc · #9 03-05-2002, 01:46 PM

The reason for Tony's post was stated in the first sentence of his post. It was in response to someone claiming that we needed a president here like JFK (with the inference that this would be good). Tony does not believe that he was so great, and cites reasons supporting his opinion.

o·pin·ion Pronunciation Key (-pnyn)
n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).

ref: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=opinion

If all things were fair, you would be alloted only about 2 seconds of your entire life to comment on him (Kennedy)...we know from your postings you are a bitter Anti Castro Miami/Cuban...

followed by:

If you read my post I didn't say there was anything wrong with being Cuban, Anti Castro or living in Miami

I don't know, but where I come from, if I call someone a fat, lazy, homosexual it kind of implies that there is something wrong with being fat, lazy, and/or homosexual...

maybe it's just me
marc

Paul Thate · #10 03-05-2002, 01:47 PM

as explained in my previous post
you want a disclaimer because
he is cuban castro hater and living in miami as this was the reason for his believes . hence your request for disclaimer.
I said i agreed with his assessment and none of these points
apply to me , hence unjust request for disclaimer.

You tried to minimise his assesment by claiming
he is this or that which is all immaterial.