Dominican Players - Page 2

x_man · #11 10-09-2002, 10:00 PM

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Holman soon will open a new factory - at the site of a former bar and brothel - that will make more than 300 bats a day.

I rather would have liked him to restored the b&b.

X.

mondongo · #12 10-10-2002, 12:42 AM

Mcinbrass...are you secretly longing to lose your intellectual virginity?

Mcinbrass · #13 10-10-2002, 10:37 AM

...because if you ask any fan, the measure of success in sports is winning. Ill give you an example. Bill Russell. He never put up the kind of numbers Wilt Chamberlain did but he won 10 years in a row!

Fans don't care about numbers, all they care about is winning. Players care about numbers, on the field and in their pockets. Unfortunately I havent seen enough proof that dominican players care enough about the fans to do the little things which make up a winning team. Ever see a dominican player walk?

Name me the most prolific winning dominican player, then tell me why?

All these numbers, no winners.

Theres an old saying "You can't walk off the island"

joseíto · #14 10-10-2002, 12:01 PM

Once a year the Sporting News asks baseball GMs to pick one player that they would build a franchise around. They do not all agree, but the past couple of years Dominicans have been at or near the top of the list. From Vlad to Pedro, and from Sammy to A-Rod. Case closed.
Please do not believe the hype when you hear, "you can't walk off the island." That's just a cliché, and an attempt to romanticize baseball even more.
Larry Walker has not even played in the WS, but he is still a great player. To come up with more names would just trivialize the whole thing, but it would definitely debunk your argument with regards to Dominican players not performing under pressure.
I can't believe I'm glorifying your rhetoric with responses.

Golo100 · #15 10-10-2002, 01:38 PM

Mcinbrass: If walking was the criteria for producing wins there would be no reason for "bunting" or even hitting the ball. Hey!!!Why don't we all just sit there and take pitches?

Players take a "walk" because the pitcher is off the mark. This is not a voluntary thing. Intentional walks are a strategy of the defense, not the offensive side. The bat in baseball was design for hitting a round white ball as far as you can, so you can run the bases and get home...understand that? Also, modern baseball is now geared towards hitting for power. Even stolen bases are a lost art.

You should also take a look at CNNSI's or ESPN's statistics and check who the leaders of "walks" are. Surprise, surprise!!!Dominicans are all over. Ever heard of Sammy Sosa's taking 100 walks for two consecutive years? Yet, he was not trying to do that. He swung most times and even stroke out 140 times. Vladimir Guerrero is one of the hardest outs in baseball, so is Luis Castillo and Manny Ramirez. All of them with batting averages exceeding .300.

You better check your stats my friend. Dominicans are so influential in baseball that you will find them in both positive and negative categories because they are just there.....we are the majority of the non-americans and as the top minority are the best producers this year all around. No team in baseball won its division, got to the playoffs or will get to the World Series without a Dominican player in its roster. Can you say the same thing about Canadians, Cubans, Puerto Ricans,Venezuelans, Panamanians and orientals?

And the parade is not over. With the recent talent being developed here I see Dominican players dominating MLB in the future. Didn't they now?

TW

trina · #16 10-10-2002, 01:44 PM

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All these numbers, no winners.

Obviously, you are not taking into consideration all of our Dominican MVP winners, Golden Glove winners, Cy Young winners...shall I go on???

The players are obviously impressing the people that count, that's why they receive these sweet $200 million+ contracts.

Mcinbrass · #17 10-10-2002, 02:13 PM

...naming Dominican players with stats and numbers. Start naming winners. My point is that these players are so intent on numbers that they forget the simple fundamentals of the game. These same fundamentals when executed by the TEAM, lead to a winning program.

Funny how the Yankees won almost every year until Soriano got there.

What is your explanation for the fact that these great players with awsome numbers aren't part of a winning program. Not one of them. Must be a reason. I just gave you a few. Id like to hear your thoughts and try to leave the macho dominican pride **** out of it.

Golo100 · #18 10-10-2002, 02:37 PM

Remember the Big Red Machine at Cincinnati? Remember the MVP of the World series? What was his name again?????Oh, yes, Jose Rijo. A Dominican.

Who was that miracle little guy who won a World Series for the Atlanta Braves who later became the poor man's legend. Remember a little guy by the name of Cabrera?

How did Arizona get to be champions last year? Guess this one yourself. Tell me what Dominican pitcher was most influential in this.

Who has been the spark of the Atlanta Braves for the last two years. Recognize a tiny little guy name Furcal? Or are the Braves losers too? Who just won the first game for the Annaheim Angels?Recognize Ramon Ortiz? Who got the Twins there? Recognize David Ortiz and Cristian Guzman?

Who got the Marlins to the World Series and eventually the World Championship? Remember a guy named Moises Alou?

Maybe perhaps what you should do is name who the real winners are and their nationality and I will find for you 10 times as many losers from the same nationality. Your rationale is totally OFF BASE.

TW

joseíto · #19 10-10-2002, 02:54 PM

I doubt Soriano, or any player for that matter, can make a decision NOT to bunt or steal when the manager has asked them to. Like someone here said, base stealing is a lost art; the game has evolved and MLB has recognized that people want to see the long ball. It is as if you are implying that Dominican ballplayers DO NOT want to win.
Mcinbrass, do you have a favorite player, or team? If you do, then guess what? Based on your logic, they have also failed. Unless, of course, that your favorite team is ALWAYS the winning team, in which case you are NOT a fan. And whichever team ends up triumphant, Dominicans in its roster you will find.
There goes your logic.

Mcinbrass · #20 10-10-2002, 03:07 PM

...are my favorite team and as an example the dominican players we have stink. Timo Perez cant take a walk if his life depended on it and Armando Benitez loads the bases every time out. Cant stand pressure, always fails. Sometimes I think the big lug is going to cry.

The players TW mentioned are/were only small cogs in winning programs. Im surprised he didnt mention Alfedo Griffin being the reason Anaheim is winning. He was also a winner a few places. But the major stars I hear about every day in DR1 news aren't winning. Pujols is the next to be eliminated, watch how he melts in this series.