The Mirabal Sisters

[Ogre of the Caribbean]

I think asopaos is mixing things up. There was a "Dominican" people before 1844. The Spanish were here before the French, there was a group of people on the other side of the island who were not just Spanish speaking "Haitians" looking for some kind of national identity to latch onto. I've discussed this before...

Pennies? Trujillo bribed the Haitian elite with more than just pennies. The story of the Haitian elite is actually much more unpleasant than just bribery.

None of the bad soldiers were punished for 1937, and none of the Haitians soldiers ever stood trial for the massacres of Dominicans in the past. What of it? You're opening a Pandora's box that need not be open. What's next, reparations for the Haitians? Who would pay that? This is getting out of hand. Why not just buy a plot of land and erect a monument yourself? I really don't see how all this is going to help the present situation. People on this island have been doing bad things to each other for a long time. This Oprah Winrey "National healing" garbage is best left to the Americans.

[A.Hidalgo]

Originally Posted by Ogre of the Caribbean

What's next, reparations for the Haitians? Who would pay that?

Joel can you expand on the following information. Was there some kind of reparation after the massacre or not.

In the end, Haiti's President Vincent, sought reparations of $750,000 of which only $525,000 were ever paid and Trujillo began to develop the borderlands to more closely link them with urban areas.[12] These areas were modernized with the addition of state of the art hospitals, schools, political headquarters, military barracks and housing projects as well as a highway to connect the borderlands to major cities.

Parsley Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[NALs]

Originally Posted by asopao

Because that's the sad reality of DR, tiguere. If the sisters were " prietas" with " pelo malo", i bet you you wouldn't even hear about them.

You mean the way Gregorio Luperón is not remembered... oh, wait a minute....

there is a prieto with pelo malo that is, no... it can't be.... remembered in the most heroically way possible???? I mean, streets are named after him, monuments of him are in many places, he is given a good amount of attention in the history books.

So much for your "prietos with pelo malo are ignored in Dominican history" assumption.

Originally Posted by asopao

Montro, you still keep mixing apples and oranges when it comes to history. If you talking about Dessalines, there wasn't even Dominicans back then !
DR wasn't a State yet. The " Spanish-speaking Eastern Hispaniolans", what racist hispanophiles want to call " Dominicans" before 1844 to encite nationalism for their advantage, many were collaborating with Ferrand, in making incursions into Haiti to " kidnap children and sell them into slavery". You tell me, why I didn't see that written down on my history book when i was a kid??

Um, did you ever read that before the Dominican state was created, the colony was called Santo Domingo and the inhabitants were referred to as Dominicanos because of the "Domingo" part of the Santo Domingo name of the colony?

Of course not, because had you been acquainted with how the colony came to be and what its inhabitants were called WAY IN THE 1600s AND 1700s, you would've understand where the name DOMINICAN came from, hence the name Dominican Republic, as in the Republic of the Dominicans, los dominicanos. No one ever referred to Santo Domingo residents as Santo Domingans, it was always Dominicanos.

Get your historical facts straight!

As for the rest of your comments, well, get some of that self-hatred out of your system and become acquainted with the history of this island before we can talk again.

-NALs

[NALs]

Originally Posted by Ogre of the Caribbean

I think asopaos is mixing things up. There was a "Dominican" people before 1844. The Spanish were here before the French, there was a group of people on the other side of the island who were not just Spanish speaking "Haitians" looking for some kind of national identity to latch onto. I've discussed this before...

Pennies? Trujillo bribed the Haitian elite with more than just pennies. The story of the Haitian elite is actually much more unpleasant than just bribery.

None of the bad soldiers were punished for 1937, and none of the Haitians soldiers ever stood trial for the massacres of Dominicans in the past. What of it? You're opening a Pandora's box that need not be open. What's next, reparations for the Haitians? Who would pay that? This is getting out of hand. Why not just buy a plot of land and erect a monument yourself? I really don't see how all this is going to help the present situation. People on this island have been doing bad things to each other for a long time. This Oprah Winrey "National healing" garbage is best left to the Americans.

Amen!

-NALs

[2LeftFeet]

It's a shame that this thread about the Mirabal sisters veered off on the tangent that it did. It should have been to honor them rather than talk about why "they" got something and someone else didn't.

I feel that it was disrespectful. I don't think the ladies were given their do here.

I think that a new thread should have been started if a new topic needed to be debated.

Who knows how they would've been treated if they had "pelo malo" they didn't so we will never know now will we? You can speculate all you want but the reality is..... we will never know!

[Ogre of the Caribbean]

Originally Posted by A.Hidalgo

Joel can you expand on the following information. Was there some kind of reparation after the massacre or not.



Parsley Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, there really is not that much to discuss here. The reparations paid out at the time were a pittance, and in the end the Haitian government accepted a discounted sum.

I don't recommend Wiki for history lessons...

I think the Dominican government can honor the events and people it chooses to. Just like the Haitian government.

I think a memorial of somekind could be used to imply collective guilt in genocide, which would be untrue. I think a genocide memorial would be nothing but a backdrop for future Sonia Pierre press conferences.

Do you think the Haitian government would build memorials for the massacres of Dominicans?

Why even bother with all of this. Some things are better left to history books. The last thing the DR needs to to give more ammo to the hard core anti-Dominican lobby.

[A.Hidalgo]

Originally Posted by 2LeftFeet

It's a shame that this thread about the Mirabal sisters veered off on the tangent that it did. It should have been to honor them rather than talk about why "they" got something and someone else didn't.

I feel that it was disrespectful. I don't think the ladies were given their do here.

I think that a new thread should have been started if a new topic needed to be debated.

Who knows how they would've been treated if they had "pelo malo" they didn't so we will never know now will we? You can speculate all you want but the reality is..... we will never know!

I agree. I who started this thread kind of veered off myself. Follow the link for some history of the sisters.

The Mirabal Sisters

[Norma Rosa]

Originally Posted by 2LeftFeet

It's a shame that this thread about the Mirabal sisters veered off on the tangent that it did. It should have been to honor them rather than talk about why "they" got something and someone else didn't.

I feel that it was disrespectful. I don't think the ladies were given their do here.

Amen.

This could had been a wonderful thread about the Mirabal sisters. Why was it allowed to go on a tangent?

[alicious]

Originally Posted by snowbird44

The movie is ok, but it is not as powerful as the book. Please read it. It is one of my favourite books. I could not put it down.

I have this book, and I LOVE it!
I've read it a few times.

It makes me cry...

[NALs]

Originally Posted by 2LeftFeet

It's a shame that this thread about the Mirabal sisters veered off on the tangent that it did. It should have been to honor them rather than talk about why "they" got something and someone else didn't.

I feel that it was disrespectful. I don't think the ladies were given their do here.

I think that a new thread should have been started if a new topic needed to be debated.

Who knows how they would've been treated if they had "pelo malo" they didn't so we will never know now will we? You can speculate all you want but the reality is..... we will never know!

Agree 100%.

I think the Mirabal sisters are still remembered mostly due to the surviving sister, Dedé. She has been the most persistent voice in commemorating her sisters. Had she also been a victim, who knows how much of the Mirabal sisters would still be in the collective memory of all Dominicans.

-NALs