Dominicans in the U.S. Can you identify?

[Naked_Snake]

Originally Posted by bienamor

yep pretty much and I don't mind as long as long as its legal immigration, from where ever. We think my family came over courtesy of King George, and his hiring German mercenaries.

Still wondering about the other language forms for the DR though. Might have to make it easier if they want retired folk. You know a little something in English, French, Kryol. Everybody just kind of skipped over that one. It ok for the USA, Canada, other places but not in the DR.

Why do you insist in making yourself look ridiculous? As mountainannie has already said, The US is the Mighty Galactic Empire, with infinite and invincible nuclear fleets and trillions upon trillions of dollars at its disposition, while the DR is just a Fourth World neo-colonial outpost on the outskirts of the Empire, unable to acomplish even a tenth of what its current colonial overlord can do at a whim. If our populace is badly educated on its own mother tongue, imagine the problems that would arise if the state were to commit the lunacy of adopting a language that is barely a couple of centuries old, and which have few (if any) scientific textbooks written on it. Besides, the haitians are already forced to learn a foreign language in order to make a technologic career even on their own homeland, so they might as well learn spanish or apply themselves to really learning french and be done with it.

[POPNYChic]

Originally Posted by eibbed

POPNYChic,

Admixtures in the New World, referred to as miscegenation, consist of European, Native American and African, so I'm looking forward to learning how Dominican histories differ.

Blood quantums for the entire Western Hemisphere were created by the Spanish, French and British ... not Dominicans.

Not sure what you mean as I never said Dominicans "created" anything.

But again, you arent understanding what I am trying to say. How do you compare a country that is 90%+ mulattos and other mixes with the u.s. which is what....12% black? of which some are mixed..... almost 70% white. Its not like comparing apples and oranges....more like comparing apples and Lemon Meringue Pie!

When the u.s. population is made up of over 90% mulattos, quadroons and every other goofy name people made up for "blood quantums" , then we may identify. There is a loooooong way to go for that to happen though. Not in our lifetime, thats for sure..... Given the continued willful segregation that exists there, its unlikely, imo.

You think I'm saying AA's arent mixed at all...no...I'm saying Americans in general arent anywhere near as mixed as we are and thats indisputible, plain fact. No way around it no matter how you look at it. Why you would want to suggest otherwise is just puzzling as facts cannot be changed by "opinions".

We are not the same nor should we be expected to be given such different histories. That is the primary disconnect between Americans and the rest of the world. The lack of comprehension when we explain we are NOT coming from anywhere near the same place.

[POPNYChic]

eibbed,

heres me giving the explanation another shot lol

what makes dominicans different is not WHAT we are mixed with...its how, when and with what kind of frequency its occured.

The DR is a nation founded by mixed folks for mixed folks. In the u.s. interracial couples are still thought of as noteworthy in most places. In the DR they have been the norm since hundreds of years before inception.

Therefore Dominicans run the gamut depending on where you go, who you see...but we are still mostly the same people....just of varying phenotypes.

Its like night and day in that sense when you compare the u.s. to the DR. there are more all-white neighborhoods now in the u.s. than there were just 10 years back so if anything, people are separating themselves even further!

Thats just a foreign concept to me....literally lol

[mountainannie]

am I wrong in thinking or observing or saying that there is a small percentage here that are NOT mixed... in that they consider themselves WHITE as in how could I say it... Spanish White? Which may not be British white, or Nordic White.. but is NOT arab, Not Lebanese, Not Asian, certainly not Haitian or cocolo.... I do not know this, I am just asking.

I do know that in Puerto Rico, up until very recently, to marry into the higher levels of society you had to produce your lineage, show where your family came from, and it was very restrictive.....

I had a friend here whose family has been here for a long time, over a century anyway, but when he went to get married, the family wanted his complete lineage, back BEYOND Lebanon... but then when it was somehow Indian, ie Caucasian, that was OK...

What is striking here is that the vast majority .. the 76% of the population .. that is 'mixed" is SO mixed, with SO many things.. Japanese, and Middle Eastern, and Cyprus and everything.. when you imagine how small the population was a hundred years ago.. *quick someone find that figure for us) and how big most of the families were... and well, it is an island.

when we say mixed in the States.. we really never mean it in this sense. not in this Blended sense that it here. There, the term usually means mixed black and white and just that... if we talk about Native American blood we say that differently, as in I am part Native American or part Sioux...

[POPNYChic]

MAnnie, yep. In the DR, really theres just this little pocket of elites that never mix but its mostly free game for the "commoners" lol Like you said what makes us unique is just how much the mixing has occured and since when. Plus our culture. Its an interesting mish mash of people and things, if you ask me. A true melting pot in every sense of the word. Theres only one DR, just as theres only one u.s.

Yep. PR and Cubans arent as mixed either. They tend to polarize themselves w just a few wallowing in the middle. You wont go there and find the widespread mish mash we call "normal" in the DR.

[bob saunders]

Originally Posted by POPNYChic

MAnnie, yep. In the DR, really theres just this little pocket of elites that never mix but its mostly free game for the "commoners" lol Like you said what makes us unique is just how much the mixing has occured and since when. Plus our culture. Its an interesting mish mash of people and things, if you ask me. A true melting pot in every sense of the word. Theres only one DR, just as theres only one u.s.

Yep. PR and Cubans arent as mixed either. They tend to polarize themselves w just a few wallowing in the middle. You wont go there and find the widespread mish mash we call "normal" in the DR.

I'm not sure where you get your evidence. Cubans are as blended as Dominicans, perhaps more so.

[POPNYChic]

Originally Posted by bob saunders

I'm not sure where you get your evidence. Cubans are as blended as Dominicans, perhaps more so.

i didnt say they arent blended. moreso that they have much more of a tendency to polarize themselves than us. thats the truth. PR's are also very mixed but again they have more of a tendency to polarize themselves. This is easily confirmed by many sources.

[Naked_Snake]

Originally Posted by bob saunders

I'm not sure where you get your evidence. Cubans are as blended as Dominicans, perhaps more so.

Perhaps it's more mixed now that the Castro regime have forced everyone to a sort of "stick together" status quo, but on the pre-revolutionary era, it's sure as hell that cuban society was waay more polarized. Heck, from what I have read and heard about the issue, there was some sort of race war in 1912, after the black and coloured people of the island tried to form a political party to reclaim their rights.

Pedro Andres Perez Cabral, on his book "La Comunidad Mulata. El caso socio-politico de la República Dominicana", tell us the following about cuban demographics:

"Cuando La Habana desplazó a Santo Domingo como centro de gravedad en el Caribe, no se reprodujo en Cuba el mismo fenómeno demográfico de La Española. El amerindio cubano desapareció cierta e igualmente, pero la población negra estuvo generalmente en minoría a lo largo de la existencia colonial cubana. Sólo las estadísticas correspondientes a los años 1817, 1827 y 1841 arrojan mayoría negra, en tanto que las que corresponden a 1774, 1792, 1798, 1821, 1823, 1861, 1899, 1907, 1919, hasta nuestros días, exponen una a veces abrumadora mayoría blanca. Por lo demás, como se verá más adelante, no ha tenido lugar en Cuba el proceso de mulatización que ha sido y es caracteristico en Santo Domingo. La Habana se hizo pronto una metrópoli española a partir de 1657, cuando contaba con más de 2,000 españoles (número que posiblemente superaba la totalidad de blancos criollos y peninsulares en toda La Española para la misma fecha) y sólo la mitad de negros y mulatos. El auge de la mayor Antilla se hizo incontenible a medida que operaba la decadencia de la segunda."

[POPNYChic]

Also MAnnie though the stats say 76% are mixed...I am willing to put my arse out on the line that a bunch of the folks who jotted down "black" or "white" have el negro (o el blanco o el chino o el arabe o el, etc) detras de la oreja. Bet on it. I think the actual "white" percentage is under 10%. And they most likely have money. (ignore that last sentence lol)

[ExtremeR]

Originally Posted by bob saunders

I'm not sure where you get your evidence. Cubans are as blended as Dominicans, perhaps more so.

That's completely false, the single most racist Latin American culture is the Cuban. Just because you see Jose Contreras playing with the Rockies doesn't mean every Cuban is black. They avoid interracial relationship like the devil to the cross. Just go to Miami and you check the skin tone and hair texture of them, they are almost Caucasian.