Hurricane & Tropical Storms and the Economy

[NALs]

Originally Posted by Chris

Anyone else tired with Nals fighting the political fight on every thread that he can find? Note the sentence .. one incident, one dam. Well Nals, I have news for you ..

One Incident, One Dam, Tremendous Destruction.

I do not care which political flunkey pushed what button. These people killed people! But I guess it means little in the greater scheme of things eh? After reading your posts, I'm beginning to believe the conspiracy theorists .. It might just have been deliberate.

Oh yes, it was deliberate. This is just what was needed five months to a presidential election in a country where yellow media is rife!

-NALs

[Lambada]

Originally Posted by NALs

I'm confidently sure that the Tavera reservoir was not the only one that was filled. -NALs

So they were all going against the operations manuals, were they?

Originally Posted by NALs

The country has eight damns and only one is mentioned by the opposition parties. -NALs

Really? According to INDRHI there are 34
Instituto Nacional de Recursos Hidráulicos -INDRHI-

Back in 2002-3 when Halcrow was contracted to do the inspection (after Hurricane Georges in 1998) of DR's dams, their remit was to inspect all large dams in the DR which they then numbered at 24.

Where did you get 8 from?

[NALs]

Originally Posted by Lambada

According to INDRHI there are 34
Instituto Nacional de Recursos Hidráulicos -INDRHI-

Back in 2002-3 when Halcrow was contracted to do the inspection (after Hurricane Georges in 1998) of DR's dams, their remit was to inspect all large dams in the DR which they then numbered at 24.

Where did you get 8 from?

I have always been aware of the Tavera, Valdesia, Sabana Yegua, Rincon, Hatillo, Sabaneta, Maguaca and the Chacuey dams.

Until now, I was not aware of any other dams.

-NALs

[BushBaby]

Originally Posted by NALs

I have always been aware of the Tavera, Valdesia, Sabana Yegua, Rincon, Hatillo, Sabaneta, Maguaca and the Chacuey dams.

Until now, I was not aware of any other dams.

-NALs

Ah come on, play fair Lambada & Chris. The man has lived out of the country for so long you can not expect him to know how many damn Dams there are!! Why should he know that the ability to 'push the button' would most likely have been from a central 'Santo Domingo' office?

I am ALL for political debate & supporting of one's party but that has never included (for me) a closed mind to constructive & well presented alternatives as NALs does. BLIND obedience has NEVER been good for progress as it stagnates the brain as we have witnessed it many other countries' political endeavours!! ~ Grahame.

[NotLurking]

Originally Posted by Lambada

So they were all going against the operations manuals, were they?



Really? According to INDRHI there are 34
Instituto Nacional de Recursos Hidráulicos -INDRHI-

Back in 2002-3 when Halcrow was contracted to do the inspection (after Hurricane Georges in 1998) of DR's dams, their remit was to inspect all large dams in the DR which they then numbered at 24.

Where did you get 8 from?

Lambada, from first hand knowledge I can attest to the fact that Las Barias (Bani) does NOT have a dam named Las Barias (I own some land and a shack there). My mother was born there and many family members still live there, so, I'm quite familiar with the area and the dam. The only dam considered part of Las Barias is Valdesia. Jiguey-Aguacate is considered one dam not two as listed on The INDRHI site. I have 2 cousins that have been working in Valdesia for the past 15 years and a friend that has been working in Jiguey-Aguacate since mid 2002.

I think the list on the INDRHI site is inaccurate base on what I know of the Nizao area dams or perhaps they are using some strange way of determining what a dam is. In any case I'm going to call my cousin that works in Valdesia to ask him about the Las Barias dam and also the Jiguey dam. I'll post an update when I talk to him.

NotLurking.

[A.Hidalgo]

Originally Posted by NotLurking

Lambada, from first hand knowledge I can attest to the fact that Las Barias (Bani) does NOT have a dam named Las Barias (I own some land and a shack there).

I don't get it but when I click on Las Barias a picture is shown of a dam with technical data.....Don't tell me, we can't rely on government stats...god forbid:


PRESA LAS BARIAS

[Lambada]

Originally Posted by NALs

I have always been aware of the Tavera, Valdesia, Sabana Yegua, Rincon, Hatillo, Sabaneta, Maguaca and the Chacuey dams.

Until now, I was not aware of any other dams. -NALs

Standby, Nals, we're working on it for you.

Originally Posted by NotLurking

Lambada, from first hand knowledge I can attest to the fact that Las Barias (Bani) does NOT have a dam named Las Barias (I own some land and a shack there). My mother was born there and many family members still live there, so, I'm quite familiar with the area and the dam. The only dam considered part of Las Barias is Valdesia. Jiguey-Aguacate is considered one dam not two as listed on The INDRHI site. I have 2 cousins that have been working in Valdesia for the past 15 years and a friend that has been working in Jiguey-Aguacate since mid 2002.

I think the list on the INDRHI site is inaccurate base on what I know of the Nizao area dams or perhaps they are using some strange way of determining what a dam is. In any case I'm going to call my cousin that works in Valdesia to ask him about the Las Barias dam and also the Jiguey dam. I'll post an update when I talk to him.

NotLurking.

Oh this is going to be fun! First, find your dam..........!! I think it would be enormously helpful if you could post the info your cousin comes up with. Also if you could ask him what these are pictures of which INDRHI would have us believe are:
PRESA DE JIGUEY

PRESA AGUACATE
and
PRESA DE VALDESIA

Like A.Hidalgo I wouldn't be remotely surprised if the INDRHI website is inaccurate, so let's try to get accurate info here. I'm fairly sure there are more than 8 although 34 is probably too high. I'd personally go for somewhere between 19 & 24. Any advance on between 19 & 24? Gentleman in the corner wishes to bid? That isn't including these listed by Dag on the Olga thread:

Originally Posted by Dag

) Two new hydroelectric projects getting underway, Palomino and Las Placetas. Both are being built in supposedly biologically protected areas (national park) without a peep. Both are being built with borrowed money. Both were justified by questionable data. Why the heck are they starting two new projects when the Presa de Gualgui stands near abandoned, half completed? Whatever happend to all the money that was invested in starting the Presa de Hondo Valle project, which has since disappeared from the planning boards? The work on the Presa de Gualgui and the Presa de Hondo Valle were done on borrowed funds as well, for which the country is now paying interest.

Originally Posted by NALs

Because they are ex-reformistas, -NALs

No, there is a different significance in those appointments & it links to the Tavera tragedy according to Luis Arthur. Read his entry Nombramientos for 31st. December 2007
Luis H. Arthur S.

[NotLurking]

Originally Posted by A.Hidalgo

I don't get it but when I click on Las Barias a picture is shown of a dam with technical data.....Don't tell me, we can't rely on government stats...god forbid:


PRESA LAS BARIAS

I can tell you for a fact that I have prsonally fished Tilapias in the supposed Las Barias dam (the locals call it contra-enbarse), it is not what I would consider a dam! It is a lake like area about a kilometer AFTER Valdesia dam! In fact, if you look at the enegry contribution of the supposed Las Barias dam it is ZERO! If INDRHI considers this a dam so be it. All the locals consider it part of Valdesia and so do I.

BTW here is a picture of the Marco A Cabral canal the Las Barias dam feeds



NotLurking

[Criss Colon]

Where does he choose to live? In the DR? NO!,in Connecticut!
He never misses an opportunity to "Bad Mouth" the USA,where he does live,or,an opportunity to praise the DR,where he DOES NOT LIVE!
Go Figure??
Leonel turned out to be "Worse" than Hipolito,if THAT can be possible!
The "METRO" will be a bigger disaster for the DR than "Hipolito's" four year raid on the National Treasury!
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[RonS]

Only the most synical can really believe that the catastrophe at Tavera was deliberate or that the President intended the death and destruction that followed. This was clearly a case of gross negligence, and I agree that those responsible should be held accountable.

Clearly, however, hurricanes and tropical storms will visit the Dominican Republic again, as they have for centuries, and there will be human suffering and economic losses as a result. It is not a question of how many dams or other parts of the infrastructure that need attending to; they all do from what I have seen!

My question is: what is being done to plan for these natural and reocurring disastors before they occur? After Katrina I have serious problems with the FEMA, however, it's existence is at least recognition that government has a duty to do something to prepare and to deal with the aftermath of these situations. That may be too much to ask for in the DR, but it's certainly worth making the effort to prod political leaders to a more preventative rather than this consistent reactionary posture.