We miss Candelier...

[Marilyn]

As posted in DR1 news:

"Human rights going to charge President of the National Human Rights Commission (CNDH) Dr. Manuel Maria Mercedes has announced that the CNDH will file charges against National Police Chief Rafael Guzman Fermin next week for "extrajudicial murders" in confrontations with the police. According to Mercedes, the total number of such killings is 160, and not 145 as is claimed by the police. The human rights campaigner is taking this case a step further by s seeking justice for all extra-judicial murders that have taken place in the last 10 years. Mercedes says that these murders constitute a grave violation of human rights, which are guaranteed by national and international law. Mercedes, quoted in Hoy, made the claim that from the time of Pedro Jesus Candelier to the current Police Chief's tenure, 5,000 people have been killed extra-judicially and 2,000 of these can be attributed to Candelier."

Let's hope Dr. Manuel Maria Mercedes doens't suffer the loss of a daughter, son, nephew, friend, etc. at the hands of those he calls "victims" of extra-judicial murders.

[Scandall]

I'm confused.

How does one human rights violator make you miss a different human rights violator?

Do you think Candelier got his reputation by following the letter of the law?

RHM

[Eddy]

Originally Posted by Scandall

I'm confused.

How does one human rights violator make you miss a different human rights violator?

Do you think Candelier got his reputation by following the letter of the law?

RHM

I interpret that as " Our present police boss has surpassed Candeliers record by 1000 kills. Not bad. Let's hope he and his men keep up the good work. F*ck the Human Rights. They only campain for the bad guys. What about the good guys that are victimzed my these a$$hole.

[Marilyn]

The only human rights I care about are mine. Those criminals who shoot inocents to steal a cell phone or a car, or a purse don't deserve pity from anyone and they are not eligible for "human rights", you know why? because as soon as they violated by rights they relinquished theirs. Nowadays we see many "ajusticiamientos" by vigilantes who are just citizens fed up with the constant abuse they are subjected to by these crooks, you work hard for what you have and no one has any right to steal it and take your life in the process.

[catcherintherye]

I agree in dispensing justice with whatever means are available. I have no qualms about using deadly force when necessary. The problem I see is that once that road is taken one must be extremely careful about how justice is defined and dispensed. In other words, most criminal acts are clear-cut. However, what happens if certain political opinions become outlawed? And don't be too quick to dismiss that possibility. It has happened in a number of countries in the not too distant past. The other aspect that must be crystal clear is the quilt of the suspect. Maybe one or two unintended killings are acceptable to some, but I doubt they would feel the same way if it was a family member who was one of those "mistakes." What I am saying is, if you want to dispense justice, I am with you, as long as justice and the prepetrator are clearly and positively defined and identified.

[Scandall]

Originally Posted by catcherintherye

I agree in dispensing justice with whatever means are available. I have no qualms about using deadly force when necessary. The problem I see is that once that road is taken one must be extremely careful about how justice is defined and dispensed. In other words, most criminal acts are clear-cut. However, what happens if certain political opinions become outlawed? And don't be too quick to dismiss that possibility. It has happened in a number of countries in the not too distant past. The other aspect that must be crystal clear is the quilt of the suspect. Maybe one or two unintended killings are acceptable to some, but I doubt they would feel the same way if it was a family member who was one of those "mistakes." What I am saying is, if you want to dispense justice, I am with you, as long as justice and the prepetrator are clearly and positively defined and identified.

Well said and therein lies the rub. If you give these guys (especially these guys) the freedom to take the law into their own hands, the entire population loses their rights as a matter of consequence.

"It'll never happen to me because I'm not a criminal", you say.

My answer - Yeah, but if it did happen to you, you would have absolutely no recourse or rights. You'd be at the mercy of an illiterate Dominican cop. Personally, that's not a scenario I'm comfortable with.

RHM

[Marilyn]

Well said and I agree with that assessment; but meanwhile, are we supposed to just sit with our arms crossed and let this random violence curtail our way of life? I cannot wear my jewlerly, can't talk on the phone while I'm walking, I'm terrified of taking public transportation, if I go out of my car I rather leave the purse in the car than walk around with it, my house looks like La Victoria or Najayo, I have bars even going from the living room to the bedrooms and at night we lock ourselves in the bedroom scared for our lives because we have already been victims of burglars during our sleep, they drive an I'm afraid they might be victims of car-jacking, when I drive I lock my doors as soon as I get in, "en fin" we are in constant fear for our life and that's no way to live.

[Eddy]

It's better to have 10 innocent people in jail than 1 guilty on the streets.

[bob saunders]

Originally Posted by Eddy

It's better to have 10 innocent people in jail than 1 guilty on the streets.

Yea, as long as you aren't one of them innocents languishing in jail.

[Skippy1]

Originally Posted by Marilyn

Well said and I agree with that assessment; but meanwhile, are we supposed to just sit with our arms crossed and let this random violence curtail our way of life? I cannot wear my jewlerly, can't talk on the phone while I'm walking, I'm terrified of taking public transportation, if I go out of my car I rather leave the purse in the car than walk around with it, my house looks like La Victoria or Najayo, I have bars even going from the living room to the bedrooms and at night we lock ourselves in the bedroom scared for our lives because we have already been victims of burglars during our sleep, they drive an I'm afraid they might be victims of car-jacking, when I drive I lock my doors as soon as I get in, "en fin" we are in constant fear for our life and that's no way to live.

Wow this is not right you need to move quickly. Noone should live in fear even if the weather is nice and the beaches are fantastic.

I believe that if a policeman asks you to stop you should stop, if he say drop your gun then do it.......I also believe if you oiunt said gun at him and refuse his commands then you can not argue if you get shot.
Better still if you carry a weapon with you to burgal someones house then you should be shot anyway.......
Even if the criminals are poor barrio boys they do not have the right to steal.
If you drive at 100 mph youmust expect to suffer serious injury if you crash the same goes for armed robbery.

Skippy1