La Democracia Dominicana En Accion

[Mr. Lu]

Originally Posted by Chip

That is the case for now, but are you saying that won't happen in the future?

As far as "other" Dominican sites in Spanish, I really don't think there are any that can compare with DR1.

Also, it is not unusual to have English speaking sites about foreign countires with a section in the local language.

All fine and good. The future can bring wonderful changes, and in the end DR1 could be a more inclusive site that caters to a larger audience or people, including their lingual preferences. I don't discount that though that is not my decision to make. But what I am referring to is that at the moment the thread is exclusionary. It's like talking in German in the presence of Chinese speakers. If you can speak Chinese then it is rude of you to continue speaking in German.

As per other sites, your point is noted, but until then English is this website's default language and unless you are in the Spanish forum, which I suggest be used for Spanish language related discourse, we should continue speaking and conversing in English.



Mr. Lu

[A.Hidalgo]

I think its appropriate to hear Robert's opinion about this whole language thing. He is the owner and should have the last word on this, but I must say its a bit ironic that the forum is about the Dominican Republic and some are having a problem with the usage of the countries native language being used here.

[cobraboy]

Originally Posted by A.Hidalgo

I think its appropriate to hear Robert's opinion about this whole language thing. He is the owner and should have the last word on this, but I must say its a bit ironic that the forum is about the Dominican Republic and some are having a problem with the usage of the countries native language being used here.

Well, it's really about the Dominican Republic...for foreigners.

[rtejeda]

Ladies and gentlemen, the fact of the matter is that yes for the English speakers and yes for the Spanish speakers. -The issue of depriving a native Spanish speaker to interact in his own country's official language is sad to say the least.

Besides, it was posted in English for foreigners DR1 is so dedicated to, as their target audience and Spanish for my Dominicans brothers and sisters. Can we all get alone and use English And Spanish.

[cobraboy]

Originally Posted by rtejeda

Ladies and gentlemen, the fact of the matter is that yes for the English speakers and yes for the Spanish speakers. -The issue of depriving a native Spanish speaker to interact in his own country's official language is sad to say the least.

You bought DR1? Why, I had no idea!

I hope Robert and Dolores are set for life.

[A.Hidalgo]

Originally Posted by cobraboy

Well, it's really about the Dominican Republic...for foreigners.

I hope as the intelligent person that you are you are learning your Spanish abc's. Rational thing to do as you live there now.

[PICHARDO]

Originally Posted by Chip

Estoy de acuerdo sobre la tema de las elecciones, parece que todo salio bien y legal.

Pero, antes de poder hablar de un supuesto futuro brillante(como cualquiera anuncio de PLD) hay que analizar el sistema del gobierno de hoy mismo - y lamentablemente falta much para llegar a ser un gobierno "honesto, transparente, y sin corrupcion ni traicion".

Me gustaria saber de verdad cuanto dinero que pertenece al pueblo esta perdido en lo siguiente:

1. Salarios exagerados de los funcionarios, incl. botellas y otros beneficios que trae.
2. Abuso legal del sistema de contratar proyectos/obras publicos.
3. El robo del various departamentos del gobierno como Aduanas.

La verdad es sin arreglar estos mismos delitos es completamente en vano hablar de un futuro brillante porque es solo una mentira pintada para parecer bonita.

Chip: Ese gobierno "honesto, transparente, y sin corrupcion ni traicion" esta de igual forma perdido en la corrupcion de los demas paises bajo el sistema "democratico y representativo". En la RD la corrupcion no es escondida ni se hace esfuerzo alguno para presentar una cara saneada ante el publico, como lo hacen en esas otras democracias.

Solo observa los puestos que son remitidos ante los escandalos politicos en todas esas otras naciones, y confirmaras que lo unico que cambia son los nombres extranjeros por los nativos aqui.

Lo que pides no se logra con democracia en ningun ciclo eleccionista rapidamente, o se cambia de democracia a dictadura, o se logra paso a paso como se ha estado trabajando.

Cuidado con los que pides, pues lo podrias ver desencadenar un mal peor aun al estado actual del cual levantas tus quejas...

La RD es un pais con corrupcion politica, pues fue este el modelo que fue implementado por el panteon democratico del Norte.

Al menos en la nuestra, todos conocemos lo que es verdad y la mentiras que admitimos por su naturaleza. En otros paises las mentiras ocultas echan abajo la economia y prestigio con furia.

[cobraboy]

Originally Posted by A.Hidalgo

I hope as the intelligent person that you are you are learning your Spanish abc's. Rational thing to do as you live there now.

Yup, I'm trying. Learning new mathematical concepts and applied quantum mechanics is easier for me than languages. Darn it. But it's getting better, and I'm recognizing the spoken word much better (if they pronounce them well, some folks don't).

Onward and upward!

Perhaps the DR1 owners would consider a forum where folks whose first language is Spanish could post in the language of their thinking.

[margaret]

Originally Posted by PICHARDO

Al menos en la nuestra, todos conocemos lo que es verdad y la mentiras que admitimos por su naturaleza. En otros paises las mentiras ocultas echan abajo la economia y prestigio con furia.

So correct if I'm wrong Picardo, this is a good thing this transparent form of corruption? You're saying that at least in the DR the corruption is open and transparent as opposed to other countries where the corruption is always present but carefully concealed and only comes to light in the form of a scandal?

Don't you think that when corruption is so open and so widespread and everyone participates and benefits from it in some way, (as described in that sociologist's article that Lambada pointed us to), that it becomes part of the culture and leads to political apathy opening the doors for paternalistic rulers (caudillos of left or right)? When corruption is so accepted and systemic, don't you think it leads to a de-evolution of democratic will formation?

[margaret]

Originally Posted by rtejeda

The most important factors in the last elections were: the speed with which the results were transmitted; the candidate of the PRD accepted those results even without the second bulletin has been issued, this means strengthening the democratic system.:

I disagree, I think it just means that the ritual expression of democracy in the form of dropping a ballot in a box on election day is being performed more gracefully in the DR. My question for you, rtejeda: Was a government formed based on the will of the people through this ritual performance? No. Elections are lovely illusions that make us all feel that we have some freedom and choice and that we can make a difference with one act. In my view, real democratic development is taking place in the tiny organizations that get together and deliberate about ideas, organize people in neighbourhoods, community, workplace, trade unions, schools, and take tiny steps to influence political decision making. I would like to hear more about this because I think that is where real democratic thinking and will is formed, then we can look to a day when government is based on the will of the people for the people.

Excuse me, while I go back to reading the more logical, more linear, unilingual threads like "Where are the guest-friendly hotels..." :P