La Democracia Dominicana En Accion

[Chip]

Pichardo

Con todo respecto, La RD no se compara con los países desarrollados, incluso Los EEUU, en la corrupción. Lo que pasa esa respuesta que la corrupción en la RD es igual a la de otros países se usa mucho aquí en la republica, pero parece que Ustedes no se dieron cuenta de que en unos reportes publicados por un grupo internacional e imparcial, la corrupción de la RD es muchos mas severo que en los países mas desarrollados. Tal vez ese cuento le engaña al publico y hasta los políticos, pero como le dije, Ustedes no esta engañando al resto de mundo.

En vez de hablar de la corrupción en términos vagos e imprecisos, le voy a poner un ejemplo de propia experiencia de cómo debe funcionar el sistema y como se funciona realmente en La RD. Soy ingeniero y he trabajado en el sector privado y publico (por contracto), y si no supiera hay muchas reglas cuando se trata de seleccionar la contratista para cualquiera obra publica. Así que se previene muchos del abuso. La verdad es que en Los EEUU todavía hay abusos, pero en mis cuantos años trabajando nunca lo había visto personalmente. Entonces, es justo decir que si se ocurre, pero a un nivel bastante bajito. A lo contrario, el abuso en La RD penetra todo clase de transacción del gobierno y lo que he visto con ojos propios en dos años es increíble.

Otra vez, entiendo que el cambio viene a paso lento, pero aprende que la manera que el gobierno se defiende se luce muy feo en siempre ignorar o pintar bonitos los problemas en vez de enfrentarlos. Hasta más feo a los extranjeros es la costumbre de tratar de cambiar el tema de la discusión. Si no supieras, esos mismos dichos metidos de esconder los problemas son porque le crearon el término, “Banana Republic”. Si los políticos de La RD quieren que el mundo le tomen en serio, se deben aprender de estos consejos, si no se van a quedar en la misma clase de Mugabe para siempre.

[Mr. Lu]

"Honestly I wish I could participate in this thread..."

"I wish I could read what was going on in this thread...."

What are my two options?

A) Learn Spanish
B) Find an English language website about the DR


Jmmm... Gee, I wonder where I could find an English language website dedicated to the DR?

Let me think.....Jmm

Communicating in Spanish, where the language is predominantly English, is rude. Renders the majority of community members voiceless and the "hope" to help democracy by including all voices and opinion is pointless since most those in this community who could have something to opine are now muted.

I would hope that those of you who are posting in Spanish don't defend the "speak the language of the community" rhetoric (i.e English in the US, Spanish in the DR) while at home and then come on to this thread do the opposite. What you are doing now is intensely hypocritical and rude.


Mr. Lu

[M.A.R.]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lu

"Honestly I wish I could participate in this thread..."

"I wish I could read what was going on in this thread...."

What are my two options?

A) Learn Spanish
B) Find an English language website about the DR


Jmmm... Gee, I wonder where I could find an English language website dedicated to the DR?

Let me think.....Jmm



Mr. Lu

I thought u were Dominican.

[margaret]

Originally Posted by M.A.R.

I thought u were Dominican.

He is, but he's just wearing his DR1 Moderator hat and following the Party line... :P

I'm joking... forgive me.

[M.A.R.]

Originally Posted by margaret

He is, but he's just wearing his DR1 Moderator hat and following the Party line... :P

ohhhh ya veo!!

Ok why doesnt he translate all the posts in Spanish into English, so everyone can read it and also this way the people who are practicing their spanish can keep writing in Spanish. Euff but it sounds like a lot of work .

[Chip]

Lu

Are you actually going to opine about the topic at hand? If not take your rant somewhere else where it is welcomed.

Send me another nasty pm and I will post it here too.

[Mr. Lu]

All I am saying is that some people can't participate because the thread is in Spanish. Nothing more and nothing less. I come on this board because I know everything is in English and I can read what people have to say in English. I'd like to participate and so would others, but how can they if the comments and responses are in Spanish. This is all I am saying. This isn't about being a moderator or my nationality. It's about allowing people to communicate in a language they are comfortable in.

As I see my request and opinions have fallen on deaf ears and have been taken lightly I will refrain from posting in this thread.


Cheers and good day to all,


Mr. Lu

[margaret]

Sorry, I thought you were a Mod. You should be! With lots of perks if you're multilingual.

I don't think it's rude. I think it's reality. People sit on the margins of democracy. Some are excluded, some people through their in ability to express their ideas can't participate. Others try to acculturate or integrate and participate fully in the DR. Some have voices, some don't. For sure there is power with language ask any immigrant who can't speak the language.

This reminds me of many political discussions I had in the past with Greeks, Chileans, Uruguayans Canadian, French Canadians, Portugese, Cypriots, Iranians, Iraqis where you could hear 3 or more languages being spoken around a table on this very subject. Very inclusive. But someone always made an attempt at translation.

I honestly thought rtejeda's post which had a rough translation was a good attempt at drawing in Spanish speakers who lurk and read from the margins while "foreigners" discuss their homeland. Personally I think it's interesting... even if rtejeda is some sort of sock puppet...

As for the use of Spanish, I don't see how anyone can contribute to a discussion on democracy in the DR if they don't read the press, media, policies etc. usually in Spanish. I don't think many people are sidelined... I suspect they don't like rtejeda or they don't find the topic interesting. I could be wrong. I'm just sitting on the sidelines, adding my 2 cents from the lofty towers of Yonge and Bloor in Toronto.

I think it would be added value on this site to have a section where Spanish could be used. Who knows maybe it would draw in more Web site visitors and advertisers. Chi ching! Maybe it would contribute to integration for foreigners living in the DR, maybe it would bring Spanish speakers into contact with that community and bring about fresh thinking for all participants on the topic of democracy in the DR.

[A.Hidalgo]

Caramba que viva el español....I do recommend the forum Spanish 101 for some expats, so please get your pads and pencils and get on the ball.

[rtejeda]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lu

[u]All I am saying is that some people can't participate because the thread is in Spanish. Nothing more and nothing less. I come on this board because I know everything is in English and I can read what people have to say in English. I'd like to participate and so would others, but how can they if the comments and responses are in Spanish. This is all I am saying. This isn't about being a moderator or my nationality. It's about allowing people to communicate in a language they are comfortable in.

As I see my request and opinions have fallen on deaf ears and have been taken lightly I will refrain from posting in this thread.


Cheers and good day to all,


Mr. Lu

Lo que dice Mr. Lu, en Spanish, ahora:


Todo lo que estoy diciendo es que algunas personas no pueden participar porque el hilo está en español. Nada más y nada menos. Vengo a este foro porque sé que todo está en Inglés y puedo leer lo que la gente tiene que decir en Inglés. Me gustaría participar y por lo que los demás, pero ¿cómo pueden, si los comentarios y las respuestas están en español. Esto es todo lo que estoy diciendo. Esto no es acerca de ser un moderador o mi nacionalidad. Se trata de permitir a la gente a comunicarse en un idioma que se siente cómodo.

A mi modo de ver mi solicitud y opiniones han caído en oídos sordos y se han tomado a la ligera me abstendré de publicar en este hilo.

Ahora mi opinion al repecto:

La realidad es que cada cabeza es un mundo y hay algunos que sierran su mundo a los que no hablan "English". La ironia es que Republica Dominicana es de los Dominicanos y nuestro idioma oficial es el "Spanish". Luv ya!

The English version of my reaction, is my opinion:

The reality is that each head is a world and there are some who close their world to those who do not speak "English". The irony is that Dominican Republic is the land of the Dominicans and our official language is "Spanish". No way around it. Luv ya!