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Old 10-28-2009, 01:59 AM
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more than 60 legislators... he says are linked to narcotraficking

guess the Senator was not wrong!!
I'm sure there are pre-candidates backed with drug money but lil ole sceptical me also wonders about political posturing when I see things like ' Hay muchos precandidatos por el PLD dijo el doctor Vincho, aunque sin embargo el partido que lidera sigue siendo el PRD'. Quote comes from a 3 page article here:
Diario Horizonte - Vincho: Sicarios colombianos en RD; y supuestas órdenes de matar al Senador Guerrero y Jefe DNCD, Mateo Rosado

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Well the senator head has a price.
I'm equally sure that there are people who would want Senator Guerrero taken out. But wouldn't they be closer to home than Colombians?
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Old 11-07-2009, 03:02 PM
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It would appear that Senator Guerrero has given photgraphic evidence to the PLD National Committee concerning a PLD pre-candidate & existing Mayor in the province of Puerto Plata but............thus far no action has been taken. Also looks like, IF this story is true, that Senator Guerrero has had to resort to using a PRD Senator to get the story out there...........
Revela en demarcacion dePP hay un síndico del PLD que estuvo ligado al narco
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Old 11-10-2009, 02:00 PM
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Que verguenza! I don't expect them to do anything either. Just the way things are unfortunately.
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Old 11-13-2009, 09:31 AM
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You would think that the Colombian Drug Cartels would have learned their lesson after Pablo Escobar was killed. When Cartels start killing senators, judges, high and mid ranking officers across all branches, and each other in large numbers, the end is near for you. At best, it only buys you some more time before the gov't finally gets fed up and takes you down.

If they assassinate the DNCD chief and Senator Wilton that will be one more nail they place in their own coffin. Just like the documentary Cocaine Cowboys presented, the excessive assassinations by Griselda Blanco, the godmother of coke, during the early 80's in Miami focused the federal gov't's attention on the drug trade and brought about the end of Noriega, the Medellin and Cali Cartel, herself and all of that violence from that era.

History repeats itself-rinse and repeat.

Prior to this violence, the DR was suffering from BOILING FROG SYNDROME but things are changing.
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Old 11-13-2009, 11:29 AM
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While it is likely that if such assassinations of DR government officials were carried out that the government would respond in kind, it is very unlikely that it would reduce the amount of corruption and drug trading over any meaningful period of time. As long as there is such a profit in the illegal drug business, the business will continue. Every day the news confirms this. As was pointed out, this is a rinse and repeat situation with the added problem that the danger level for all is increasing over time.
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Old 11-13-2009, 12:45 PM
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While it is likely that if such assassinations of DR government officials were carried out that the government would respond in kind, it is very unlikely that it would reduce the amount of corruption and drug trading over any meaningful period of time. As long as there is such a profit in the illegal drug business, the business will continue. Every day the news confirms this. As was pointed out, this is a rinse and repeat situation with the added problem that the danger level for all is increasing over time.
Granted but as the level of violence increased in Colombia via Escobar's tactics, the government clamped down even further. So, it's basically a sign of the end of a CARTEL when they resort to killings across the spectrum to maintain their grip on business.

It's a last ditch attempt and an act of desperation to divert attention on themselves and keep their trade. Instead of diverting attention to themselves which should be their goal, it increases it via gov't intervention which inadverdently leads to their demise.

Historically, the earliest CARTELS in Colombia were operating under the radar screen until their business grew so large that attention was inevitable. To maintain their secrecy, their resorting to violence had the consequence of increasing it.

It just goes to show you how large the drug trade has grown in the DR that it is plastered all over the news and it involves publicly known figures who are being denounced by the media openly.

I predict the end of DR's CARTELS to go the way of the Medellin and Cali Cartels, the hey-days of the Cocaine Cowboys -Miami early 80's. It's a cycle that inevitably meets its end.
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:50 AM
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Even without the cartels, Colombia remains the world leader in production of the white stuff.

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Around 80% of the world's cocaine is produced in Colombia, with smaller amounts produced in neighbouring South American countries. The drug is sent to the UK direct from South America or trafficked to the UK through Jamaica and other Caribbean islands. Another main trafficking route from Colombia is down the Orinoco river system into Venezuela, and from there into the islands of the Eastern Caribbean by fast boat.

[ARCHIVED CONTENT] Major Cocaine Producing and Trafficking RegionsForeign & Commonwealth Office

Also look here from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime for stats showing that although the big cartels have been dismantled, they are not needed for the business to persist. As long as drugs are illegal and lucrative, other factors take over making it difficult to eliminate.

http://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr/W...Production.pdf
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Even without the cartels, Colombia remains the world leader in production of the white stuff.




[ARCHIVED CONTENT] Major Cocaine Producing and Trafficking RegionsForeign & Commonwealth Office

Also look here from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime for stats showing that although the big cartels have been dismantled, they are not needed for the business to persist. As long as drugs are illegal and lucrative, other factors take over making it difficult to eliminate.

http://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr/W...Production.pdf
i had a mexican politics professor who used to say that dismantling the cartels just worsened the problem. before, you had one or two guys that kept things in order, and if need be, you could talk to them, and make a deal. afterwards, you got a bunch of cutthroat street level thugs, neither disciplined nor bright enough to get things organised fighting for profits. and everytime one is killed or arrested, another guy pops up. he directly traced the rising violence in mexico to the dismantling of the cartels, and said it only led to decentralisation of the trade which in turn meant more violence, and more weapons inside the country.
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