Education in the DR

[BushBaby]

Originally Posted by PICHARDO

At first stages (three years give or take) students will participate via special wired rooms (the ones called centers today by Indotel) so that kids will have 100% electrical service until the energy issues are ironed out.

Hang ON me old flower !!!!!!!
First you told us
"I posted on the plan to move large parts of the education system on-line via the use of wireless networks and loaned laptops to students, so that educators can reach the students in their homes and be more effective in using 21st century technology as well".

Now you are telling me that these classes will be in 'Special Wired Rooms'?? If things change as quickly they have between your first couple of posts (24 hours) just THINK what changes will be made to this idea within a 2/3 YEAR period!!

If education by this method has to wait "Until the energy issues are ironed out" ........ then the poor children are in for a LOnnnnnnnnG wait! ~ Grahame.

[LaTeacher]

my husband teaches in a public high school in santiago. we just shelled out 2500 pesos from our own money to buy some novels for his students because... well, there "is no money" for books.

last year, we spent over 10Gs on his students because there were only 40 books delivered for his 100 12th graders. i'm thinking even old, outdated books would be better than what he's got. nothing

and trilingual? right.
because they also just started a bilingual pilot program in his school... and the teacher doesn't speak enough english to teach past the verb "to be". pretty typical public school english program... only now they're wasting an hour a day on it instead of focusing on things that might actually work... like reading or writing... or math

i hope it works out.
but, money for the public schools is a joke. we're still waiting for the supposed "raise" from the "evaluacion de disempeno" that was supposed to be added on in june (and by june, i mean march)

[A.Hidalgo]

Your story has touched me. I was wondering if members of DR1 could possibly donate some money for the purchase of books or supplies for the school were your husband is a teacher. Let me know as I would be willing to donate a modest but I'm sure helpful offering.

[MikeFisher]

Originally Posted by Sanation

It is wonderful to see such technological advances, but I have to question why such initiatives have not been trialled in a 'western national', say Australia, where distance plays a major factor in delivering education to rural communities? Why trial such an expensive initiative in the DR?

To be honest, my observations and experience of working with Dominicans (all my staff are University educated and many have lived and worked overseas) there are major short comings with the education system here, that I honestly don't think a computer based schooling system would even scratch the surface.

More importantly, one of the major by products of education is teaching children important social skills that enable them to function effectively in the community. Turning up to class on time, not speaking in class, doing homework, playing sport... these are all important in developmental and learnt behaviours which are honed by a traditional education system.

How about starting with the basics like reading and writing? I would like to know how a computer based system is going to teach that? It is hard enough for a traditional teacher to ensure that all their students are receiving enough attention to develop their skills.

It would be nice to know that the children going through the education system now will come out being able to do a little more than write a few words that look like chicken scratchings.

I would love to see all Dominicans have the opportunity to receive a good education and an improved standard of living. I am doing my bit by ensuring that our staff are well trained and given opportunities to learn new skills.

The first skill my administration staff have learnt is to think - I have a team of staff who are now able to problem solve and find solutions. We are taking baby steps, but in the past 6 months I have seem a marked improvement. These skills have only been developed from constant reinforcement and refining. I've been the one to sit with my staff, question them, force them to come up with the solution - and then praise them and give positive reinforcement.

I'd like to see how a computer will do that...

exactly right,
like also TheTeacher said.
what the Dr wanna do with computer based ´education´in households where the most do not know more than to write their name under a paycheck, and some not even that?
i have a 5 years old in preschool since a few weeks,
his first year, for the short 200 meters distance from home(wife doesn´t drive) we first decided to send him to the local public school, that lasted 2 days, i watched what the ¨teacher¨ is teaching the little ones, it was a absolute BS.
we switched right away to a private school 10 miles from here, they pick up at the homedoor and bring him back to the homedoor afterwards, just a few weeks, and little Mario is counting 1-10, can write each of those numbers when asked for and every day they get a new letter of the alphabet for homework, aside of playing a lot together during school time, which also is very important for the little ones.
playing together means to learn how people walk along with each others, how to function in a community where not always everybody wanna play YOUR favorite game, and that you can learn only if some ´teacher´is nearby watching such and correct what has to be corrected.
yes, they have to be punctual or the school door is closed for the day,
yes, they learn to sit still and keep the mouth closed while the teacher or an other student is talking.
and YES,
those are vitally important things in children´s education.
a computer based further education can be used/done for youngguns who received a good education prior to such and do now gather additional education/knowledge via a computer from home while maybe working somewhere several hours a day to maintain the house/living aso.
but basic education online???
that´s BS
Mike

[MikeFisher]

and i know exactly what LaTeacher is talking about in case of her husband´s teaching and missing even the smallest basics like books.
i run with some friends a little foundation here in the area, there are public schools where the kiddies have just a ¨half¨notbook to write down their notes aso.
we try to provide them as much notebooks, cryons, pens, coloring books and many sporting goods for playing as we can.
it is a lot of schools leaking on such, only here in the thiny populated PC area.
many are running under the assistance of several foundations and charities, like the Punta Cana Resort & Club runs several such institutions.
the assistance/help of the government???
you´re kidding me,
this government has for sure not even 1% of the promised money in their educational system.
before even thinking about a huge costy profect to buy computer for the trashcan they should start to provide the needed basics for their public schools so teachers have at least a chance to teach the kids something helpful for life.
i know at least a dozen of public school teachers over here who just feel lost alone out in the desert.
and then there are such who should not be named teachers, yeap.
Mike

[LaTeacher]

a. hidalgo, thank you so much for your offer. i asked my husband and he said what they could most use are class sets of books (obras, novelas) that they can use for analyzation.

and he says to remind people not to blindly give money to teachers here as more often than not it goes to their pocket and not the classroom. it's better if you're going to "donate" to "help" in the public schools that it be in the form of materials... and that you or someone you know deliver the goods personally, especially if it is school supplies FOR THE STUDENTS (ie: notebooks, pencils, etc...) becuase a lot of time the director will take the stuff and sell it to the studetns for a profit instead of giving it to them

[margaret]

I don't live there and forgive me for speaking about something many of you know first hand from so far away.... but....here are my two pesos.

My first cynical reaction is that this deal will benefit the communications industry, IT, suppliers of electronics etc. and my fear is that nothing will come of it and children will be waiting as they are now. But those industries (Indotel, Microsoft Dominicana and others) and the country as a whole will never move forward without a literate and computer literate workforce. They have a vested interest in making the DR a hub for communications. It’s a great vision to have and often it’s the one’s with purple-tinted glasses who lead the way or at least point in the right direction.

Nicholas Negroponte has such a vision and plan with the One Laptop per Child project. I don’t know if he will every succeed but they’re on the way (with many partners, private, public and governmental) to a redesigned OX computer that costs more than the original $100 estimate to produce but meets the needs of people who don’t have the electrical grid and connectivity that the developed world has. Haiti will see some projects soon.

The new OX computer runs Linux or Windows operating systems and the competition are underpricing a similar product. But it all started with a dream to connect people, give access, and put the technology in the hands of children in developing countries.

Nicholas Negroponte on One Laptop per Child | Video on TED.com

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/n..._years_on.html

http://www.ted.com/index.php/speaker...egroponte.html

Canada saw the need for such a project more than 10 years ago and Industry Canada initiated the project financed by taxpayers, with public and private stakeholder participation and support. All the schools and libraries were linked to the Internet through SchoolNet, AboriginalNet, etc. I think it was successful in getting teachers and students and librarians connected. It's offline now. Today more that 95% of Canadian youth access the Internet from home and they have problems turning off the computer.

An incredible thing happens when children have access to this technology. They take to it like fish to water and teach their teachers and their parents. It’s an essential step toward sharing information and building community globally and finding solutions to problems. Just look at DR1 as a tiny example of what connectivity can do and imagine Dominican children connected to the world and how the next generation will solve their own problems and participate in solving global ones. I look forward to the day when I no longer shop for pencils to bring to the Dominican Republic. Who knows I just might join in such a project myself and be part of a reverse brain drain relocating to the DR.

[leromero]

Margaret, everything you say is true, but only useful if the majority of the population was already literate. That is not the case in the DR and not the case in regards to the "beneficiaries" of the proposed program.

[catcherintherye]

Technology is not going to eliminate illiteracy. Nor is it going to improve basic writing and mathematic skills. Nor is it going to improve thinking skills, such as flexible thinking, creative thinking, critical thinking, etc.

What technology does is provide access to information, and offers an efficient and effective medium for communicating with others, worldwide.

If kids can't read to begin with, or read only at a rudimentary level, access to information is not the problem, and computers are not a solution.

And if kids can't process information, that is, if they can't decide for themselves what information is pertinent and what is trash, and can't critically analyze content, and can't then use information to synthesize new conceptual models, then all the computers in Bill Gate's arsenal won't amount to a hill of beans.

Technology is a tremendous asset once kids are proficient with basic skills. Without a foundation of basic skills, the introduction of technology is a waste of time, energy, and money.

Technology is not a substitute for a quality education. However, technology instituted within a framework of an overall quality educational system is indispensable.
The question is this:
Is the public educational system in the DR at a point where it is ready to introduce technology into the classroom?

[MikeFisher]

Originally Posted by catcherintherye

Technology is not going to eliminate illiteracy. Nor is it going to improve basic writing and mathematic skills. Nor is it going to improve thinking skills, such as flexible thinking, creative thinking, critical thinking, etc.

What technology does is provide access to information, and offers an efficient and effective medium for communicating with others, worldwide.

If kids can't read to begin with, or read only at a rudimentary level, access to information is not the problem, and computers are not a solution.

And if kids can't process information, that is, if they can't decide for themselves what information is pertinent and what is trash, and can't critically analyze content, and can't then use information to synthesize new conceptual models, then all the computers in Bill Gate's arsenal won't amount to a hill of beans.

Technology is a tremendous asset once kids are proficient with basic skills. Without a foundation of basic skills, the introduction of technology is a waste of time, energy, and money.

Technology is not a substitute for a quality education. However, technology instituted within a framework of an overall quality educational system is indispensable.
The question is this:
Is the public educational system in the DR at a point where it is ready to introduce technology into the classroom?

No, the system isn't ready, yet.
that's why i plee for the basics.
once they are established further/additional steps to better tyhe education can be considered.
right now they need the basics and get much more organized in case of "what belongs to a public school", because they do not get all the same gov assistance and the way LaTeacher described stuff 'could' disappear when not donated to the students in person, i would assume that same way many gov'tal provided stuff 'disappears' or get's sold to the students.
Mike