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Old 02-01-2009, 11:54 PM
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Its a fact, the Santo Domingo Metro is the least expensice metro system per kilometer constructed in the last four years outside of two projects in India. There are several reasons for the bargain price. Cheap real estate and labor, lack of litigation, quick decision making and most importantly hiring the Madrid Metro as construction managers'

Below are several links that I hope will enlighten those that maybe interested in learning more about subway construction and manaement.

Madrid Metro MADRID METRO CURRENT EXPANSION PROGRAMME: 80,91km more will be finished next spring! - SkyscraperCity
Alstom trains What are the best subway train makers in the world? - SkyscraperCity
Are underground trains worth it? Your opinion: cost of building underground subways worth it? - SkyscraperCity
Best transport systems in Europe Your opinion: cost of building underground subways worth it? - SkyscraperCity
Price per kilometer Prices for metros and stations? - SkyscraperCity
How to make a profit Prices for metros and stations? - SkyscraperCity
Madrid Metro's construction methods. MADRID: Give them 3 yrs & they'll give you 36 miles of subway at 85mil/mile - SkyscraperCity

I haven't added my comments concerning government subsidies as I know little about them. I do remind those that accuse those that advocate and defend the Santo Domingo Metro that the government has subsidised public transportation to the tune of US700 million dollars over the last 10 years.























































































































Below are several links that I hope will enlighten those that may want to learn more about subway construction.
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:18 AM
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Major projects all seem to have the same problem. A huge cost overrun. On average this is according to a recent study more than 30%. This not only counts for major rail projects, but also for other megaprojects (all seems to have the same problems). Urban rail projects even more about 45% average. Bent Flyvbjerg did some nice studies about them and wrote a book about them: Megaprojects and risk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the Netherlands most is financed by the federal government, will lower governments pay the rest. In case of a recent subway project: North/South Line which is under construction, the federal government is paying about 1,1 billion euro, and the city government originally 300 million euro but with the risk. Building started in 2003 and is now planned to open in 2015 (while 2011 was the original date). Costs for the city of Amsterdam has increased from 300 million to 900 million euro. The line itself is seen as very important for Amsterdam, because it not only connects new locations, but also solves the problem that the main station in Amsterdam reached it's capacity (railwise --> Amsterdam Zuid will be the 2nd main station in Amsterdam in the future), it runs along the most important local transport corridor, it connects many of the most important area's with each other or connects them with 1 transfer and it connects 1 part of Amsterdam to the rest of the city (Amsterdam North).
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thanks for the links.
that's coming close to what i am concerned about,
aside of other risk factors i wrote about in prior posts on the theme.
Mike
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:35 PM
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i read about the fast track system for retirees to come here. what has happened to that. and i have heard plenty about the competiition's plan. we all know older folk drive newer cars but thats a problem here. to a point... equador, mexico, just to mention a couple and s.america is actively courting retirees. no red tape happy to have you panama discounts all over the place theaters museaums hotels(yes) travel. taxes medical they want the money and are willing to go for it..
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