PRD back in power in 2012?

[suarezn]

With the revision to the constitution currently being performed I was hoping that they would finally set a rule for any person to be candidate only twice in a row just lie The US and would keep municipal and congress elections separate to at least keep some measure of opposition in congress. Alas I was wrong and the constitution is (as usual) being modified to serve the desires of the current people in power.

So recently Miguel Vargas Maldonado (MVM) and Leonel Fernandez (LF) met and came to an agreement on a bunch of points that will affect the new constitution. One of them is re-election and as I'm sure you all know LF agreed to not be a candidate in 2012 ( I don't really understand his strategy on this) as long as he can be a candidate again in 2016.

This leaves the door wide open for MVM to become the president in 2012 and it looks like we'll have The PRD back in power as I don't see any leader in The PLD charismatic enough to compete with MVM. Not to mention that a large part of PRSC is also signing an agreement to support MVM on the next elections. The fly in the ointment is Hipolito Mejia and the PPH and what will they do? They have seen their power diminish tremendously, but he could still try to be a candidate himself thus dividing The PRD (I hope it happens) and maybe giving a potential PLD candidate a chance.

I know one thing for sure....If MVM becomes president I would be pulling any dollars I had invested there quickly. The PRD has NEVER had a good stable government period and I don't expect this time would be any different.

What do you guys think?

[El Tigre]

Me gets the shivers whenever I think about the PRD being in power. I will say I don't know much about DR politics but what I do know is PRD = trouble from all the readings and people's opinions. And you are right...The PRD has never had a stable government. So this one if he wins won't be any different.

My peeps in the DR always tell me that when Hipolito was in power "se veia el dinero en la calle, tu cambiabas 100 dolares y durabas 3 y 4 dias substeniendote" but what they don't talk about is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the corruption. All that was done in those 4 years. Whenever I mention this they tell me they prefer a thief that steals from them right in front of their eyes and not one like Leonel that "steals" with class. I really don't get my people. Or maybe I do...they just want MONEY to survive no matter the cost? BAD. Very bad!

I don't think ANY of us, not our kids or our kids grand kids will see a "stable" "reputable" government in the DR. Yo soy Dominicano and I admit this. It is a shame but it is THE PLAIN TRUTH.

[bachata]

Originally Posted by El Tigre

My peeps in the DR always tell me that when Hipolito was in power "se veia el dinero en la calle, tu cambiabas 100 dolares y durabas 3 y 4 dias substeniendote" but what they don't talk about is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the corruption. All that was done in those 4 years. Whenever I mention this they tell me they prefer a thief that steals from them right in front of their eyes and not one like Leonel that "steals" with class. I really don't get my people. Or maybe I do...they just want MONEY to survive no matter the cost? BAD. Very bad!.

The reason for what people say this is because when PRD is in office they create thousands employs for the poor people different than Leonel’s governments. People complain about this president having 300 helpers doing nothing for the country but wiring the big salaries to the banks in others countries or going shopping to Miami, this way the money doesn’t run in the streets of the DR and the economy stuck.

JJ

[mido]

I don't think it makes a big difference. The economical situation in the DR is so bad at the moment that there is not much approval for the present government left. Miguel Vargas would win the next election no matter what.

[Chirimoya]

Unless you take the moral high ground and cast a wasted vote for Guillermo Moreno, there is not that much difference except what you have to gain personally by supporting one or the other. That's what determines most people's choice of candidate.

Who will be the PLD candidate in 2012? Danilo Medina?

[Lambada]

suarezn, the PRD might well get back in in 2012 but is it really in 'power'? My blood doesn't run cold at the thought of a PRD government; my blood runs cold at the thought of all these guys, of whichever party, being puppets and the strings being pulled by narcointerests waaay outside the country. I think it's generally accepted that the narcodescent began in earnest under Hipolito but in the last 5 years under Leonel nothing much seems to have changed, if anything it appears to be getting worse. So I'm wondering, who really pulls the strings? And if they are being pulled from somewhere distant, then would any future elections be an act of ultimate self-deception which the Dominican people unconsciously collude with?

[El Tigre]

Originally Posted by Lambada

I think it's generally accepted that the narcodescent began in earnest under Hipolito but in the last 5 years under Leonel nothing much seems to have changed, if anything it appears to be getting worse.

Can you point out some examples that indicate it might be getting worse? In no way this is an attack or anything. I usually go by what I read and I haven't read a big drug scandal involving PLD like Quirino under the Hipo.

Maybe this is what my peeps refer to as the PLD "stealing with class." Things are probably going on but under the cover if you will.

[ExtremeR]

I start shaking and trembling with the thought of the PRD in power again.

[Lambada]

Originally Posted by El Tigre

Can you point out some examples that indicate it might be getting worse? In no way this is an attack or anything. I usually go by what I read and I haven't read a big drug scandal involving PLD like Quirino under the Hipo.

Maybe this is what my peeps refer to as the PLD "stealing with class." Things are probably going on but under the cover if you will.

I do point them out from time to time, El Tigre, in this forum. Have a look at the Paya case and the thread about Senator Wilton Guerrero, have a look at why the 23 police officials in Puerto Plata, known to be taking drug tolls, evidenced by phone recordings authorised by the Chief of Police (& not a judge!) had their cases dismissed. The latter isn't even under cover: the phone recordings were broadcast on radio & TV chat shows in Puerto Plata.....

Read the blogs El Tigre (much of what appears in papers is 'managed') - this is a comprehensive one with entries twice a day
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[mido]

Originally Posted by ExtremeR

I start shaking and trembling with the thought of the PRD in power again.

Do you really think it can get worse than now?