Amnesty for illegal foreigners?

[MikeFisher]

right Cobra,
it is exactly that way when 'discussed' locally.
and it is the darn same thingy when discussed or mentioned by the politicians.
the country has no kind of problem with US immigrants, neither with Germans, British, Italians, Russians(Yet, lol).
but the country's Powers would clearly have a big problem without the illegal Haitian immigrants.
the country's forthcoming needs the cheap labour slaves from the western of the Isle. they are big business for the ones who make their money out of sugarcane and other 'labour dependend' parts of the economy. those illegal immigrants from Haiti produce more bucks for the powers of this country than all dominican 'labourers' together do.
they are a main factor in case of "what the future brings for the DR".

Mike

[NALs]

Originally Posted by MikeFisher

the country has no kind of problem with US immigrants, neither with Germans, British, Italians, Russians(Yet, lol).
but the country's Powers would clearly have a big problem without the illegal Haitian immigrants.

Mike

International pressure concerning the Haitian dilemma is what's behind all this smooching with the Haitians, much more than any 'special interests.'

Originally Posted by MikeFisher

the country's forthcoming needs the cheap labour slaves from the western of the Isle. they are big business for the ones who make their money out of sugarcane and other 'labour dependend' parts of the economy. those illegal immigrants from Haiti produce more bucks for the powers of this country than all dominican 'labourers' together do.

That's simply not true. The wealth produced by the sugar and agricultural industry is almost negligible compared to all other sectors. Much more important is construction, and even that is a very small part in the greater scheme of things. Those two sectors (agriculture and construction) is where the bulk of Haitian migrants with a steady job in the DR are found.

The DR economy is much more than those two sectors by a long shot. In other words, more wealth is created in non-Haitian dominated sectors.

BTW, those Haitians most people don't have a problem with. The 'problem Haitians' are those who are perceived to be up to no good (ie. criminals, vagabonds, beggars, traffickers of all kinds, murderers, theives, etc). Its those Haitians that causes Dominicans to react because most Dominicans can't see anything good coming from that lot. It's a different approach given to the hard working one's in agriculture and in the construction sites.

Those are needed, the rest not so much and should go home -- that's the mantra.

One thing is certain, Haitian migrants in the DR are extremely important for the Haitian economy. They send about US$300 million in remittances every year, making the DR the second largest source of remittances to Haiti. Considering that Haiti's economy is extremely dependent on remittances, its not too hard to see how important it is for Haiti to have a Haitian diaspora in the DR. Its a win-win situation, economically speaking, for both sides; but more so to the western third.

-NALs

[Lambada]

Interesting. Looks like when this gets to implementation stage, this will be by Presidential decree. The Ley General de Migración was approved in 2004 so has already had legislative sanction. Wonder if they'll try to slip anything else in, like the issue on this thread?
Dice LF emitirá decreto pone en vigencia Ley de Migración

[mido]

I would not be concerned too much about the 5 and 10 years of being illegal in the country and the so called "advantages" when legalizing but rather make myself legal here ASAP because it looks like authorities are getting serious about it this time. It will be hard to proof how long you really stayed in the country and everybody who is caught being not legal when inspections start will have serious inconveniences to face.
Now, when most of the people realize the seriousness of this matter there will be a run on the immigration offices, so better hurry up. The process getting your residency might get more expensive, too, because of the increased demand.

[Matilda]

Originally Posted by MikeFisher

right Cobra,
the country has no kind of problem with US immigrants, neither with Germans, British, Italians, Russians(Yet, lol).

Mike

Are you sure about that? No non Haitian immigrants are drug dealers, money launderers, paedophiles, arms dealers, murderers???? I think you might find that the lax immigration laws here allow for all sorts of nasty types to move here on the run from the law in their own countries.

matilda

[El_Uruguayo]

I agree with NALs that this is for the most part targeted towards hatians living in the DR, and that it most probably is because of international pressure. While in plain sight it looks like there are advantages over the regular legal route, however i' m pretty sure that it will be quite difficult for people to prove they have been in the country. They have no record of landing, and probably very few other proof in the means of mail, rent receipts, bank accounts, etc. Its basically a sharade, they are giving amnesty, but being that it will be hard to prove, not much is going to happen for a lot of the people that want amnesty. Those who will be able to benifit most from this are the non-hatian immigrants.

[Conchman]

this policy is not much different than US immigration policy, every 10 years or though some dim-wit politician proposes amnesty for ILLEGAL immigrants, giving them green cards, while people who went through legal channels can wait years, sometimes forever, and spend thousands of dollars, for nothing.

lets reward the people who broke the law, and screw the people over that tried to things legally.

Then they wonder why there are so many people wanting to cross the border illegally.

[MikeFisher]

Originally Posted by Conchman

this policy is not much different than US immigration policy, every 10 years or though some dim-wit politician proposes amnesty for ILLEGAL immigrants, giving them green cards, while people who went through legal channels can wait years, sometimes forever, and spend thousands of dollars, for nothing.

lets reward the people who broke the law, and screw the people over that tried to things legally.

Then they wonder why there are so many people wanting to cross the border illegally.

totally agree on that Conchman.

Matilda,
on the highest level of drug trafficking no foreigner from anywhere is involved, they may use some american burros to bring smaller amounts from A to B, but that business is organized and done from the local gubmin here on the Isle, no foreigners wanted to share the bucks.
paedophiles,
that trash is found everywhere and even more within high societies on it's "better" levels than within the lowlifes who flee their homecountry for minor issues.
murderers/assassins?
the pro's enter US soil or british ground or where ever the same easy way than here, such has nothing to do with relaxed immigrations rules, for them the easy access to neighbour countries is much more important for their pro business, so the Island would be a bad base. for the lil 'murderers', heck, the same like the paedophiles, such trash is found everywhere in every society, the island is not a typical spot for that shi$$. to come here they need to catch a plane, but who's wanted for such at home would have a hard time to catch a plane to anywhere.

i stick 100% with Conchman,
to do such law that way would be a benefit for the street trash who never cared a thing about the local rules/laws, and a hit in the face of the ones who go by the rules and pay their taxes.

Mike

[drgringo]

Originally Posted by MikeFisher

totally agree on that Conchman.


i stick 100% with Conchman,
to do such law that way would be a benefit for the street trash who never cared a thing about the local rules/laws, and a hit in the face of the ones who go by the rules and pay their taxes.

Mike

Street trash? who would this be referring to? Is this the Haitian law breakers or your fellow American. Should be clarified?? as not necessarily a fair label.
A gringo may come here and spend many months, maybe a year or more before proceeding with the costly residency process, this to ensure if he likes the the DR and feels like it could become his new permanent residence. This has been recommended by many longterm members, many times, wisely so...The laws or lack thereof and or grey area seems to support this, thankfully. So this makes one "street trash"??? Does one have to start the process upon arriving at SDQ to avoid this monaker...i would surely hope not.
Usually this person is only spending his money here that was earned in his home nation and therefore not skating any due taxes here, on the contrary it supports the DR economy. Mike you are a respected poster with many words of wisdom and therefore I may have misinterpredid your comments, but street trash in my book has a different meaning.

[MikeFisher]

i did not mean a specific nationality and sure not new visitors who spend some time here to fianlly decide to stay or not, do residency or not, they have their visitor's visa and can renew that, so they are not within the discussed crowd.
the theme of this thread are the ILLEGALS which are hanging out on dominican streets and beaches since a decade and more, they are most likely not contributing much to the local community or economy. and they are from many different nationalities.
and i am completely against such amnesty for them.
btw i don't believe that many will apply for that, it depends how someone needs to proof that he is permanently here since over 5 years for the temporal or over 10 years for the permanent residency to be given to him.
because the article says 'permanent' 5+ years and 'permanent' 10+years.
such is hard to proof,
i.e. my german passport is valid max 10 years and needs to be renewed then, so after 10+ years permanently here the passport at hand would not show a arrival stamp from 10+ years ago.
Mike