Amnesty for illegal foreigners?

[drgringo]

Originally Posted by MikeFisher

i did not mean a specific nationality and sure not new visitors who spend some time here to fianlly decide to stay or not, do residency or not, they have their visitor's visa and can renew that, so they are not within the discussed crowd.
the theme of this thread are the ILLEGALS which are hanging out on dominican streets and beaches since a decade and more, they are most likely not contributing much to the local community or economy. and they are from many different nationalities.
and i am completely against such amnesty for them.
btw i don't believe that many will apply for that, it depends how someone needs to proof that he is permanently here since over 5 years for the temporal or over 10 years for the permanent residency to be given to him.
because the article says 'permanent' 5+ years and 'permanent' 10+years.
such is hard to proof,
i.e. my german passport is valid max 10 years and needs to be renewed then, so after 10+ years permanently here the passport at hand would not show a arrival stamp from 10+ years ago.
Mike

Thanks for thr reply and the clarity, which I agree makes sense.

[Lambada]

'Nevertheless, the official also said that the same would be done with the other foreigners that enter the Dominican Republic through the different airports and ports. As he left the seminar "Migration Policies and Experiences in the Processes of Regulation", Almeyda pointed out that as a consequence, this has to do with Haitians, Cubans, Chinese, Germans, Swiss, Spaniards and other foreigners that are not legally in the country'.

All who enter the DR from Haiti will be fingerprinted. - DiarioLibre.com

[retiree]

Would this impact people who come here for the winter from various countries, stay 4-5 months and then pay the exit fine at the airport when they leave for overstaying the time limit?

[MikeFisher]

no,
they would not fall under the amnesty, which is for illegals who are here since more than 5 years consecutively.
visitors/travelers who want to stay here for a longer time than their visitor visa allows can anytime renew their visitor visa at the customs office, the tax/fee to do so is really very low, less than i need to spend on beers to cool down the hot sun on daily bases, lol.
Mike

[Vacara]

Originally Posted by NALs

International pressure concerning the Haitian dilemma is what's behind all this smooching with the Haitians, much more than any 'special interests.'


That's simply not true. The wealth produced by the sugar and agricultural industry is almost negligible compared to all other sectors. Much more important is construction, and even that is a very small part in the greater scheme of things. Those two sectors (agriculture and construction) is where the bulk of Haitian migrants with a steady job in the DR are found.

The DR economy is much more than those two sectors by a long shot. In other words, more wealth is created in non-Haitian dominated sectors.

BTW, those Haitians most people don't have a problem with. The 'problem Haitians' are those who are perceived to be up to no good (ie. criminals, vagabonds, beggars, traffickers of all kinds, murderers, theives, etc). Its those Haitians that causes Dominicans to react because most Dominicans can't see anything good coming from that lot. It's a different approach given to the hard working one's in agriculture and in the construction sites.

Those are needed, the rest not so much and should go home -- that's the mantra.

One thing is certain, Haitian migrants in the DR are extremely important for the Haitian economy. They send about US$300 million in remittances every year, making the DR the second largest source of remittances to Haiti. Considering that Haiti's economy is extremely dependent on remittances, its not too hard to see how important it is for Haiti to have a Haitian diaspora in the DR. Its a win-win situation, economically speaking, for both sides; but more so to the western third.

-NALs

Dominicans (as a nation) don't make a penny off illegal Haitians, we don't want them, we don't need them, Dominicans can work construction, they've done it in the past and will in the future is asked and get paid decent salaries. Sugar industry can be mechanized, Cubans did it and became the world biggest producer.

[Vacara]

Originally Posted by Matilda

Are you sure about that? No non Haitian immigrants are drug dealers, money launderers, paedophiles, arms dealers, murderers???? I think you might find that the lax immigration laws here allow for all sorts of nasty types to move here on the run from the law in their own countries.

matilda

You got Haitians in the DR who are drug dealers, money launderers, pedophiles, arm dealers, murderers etc., so what is your point?

[Vacara]

Originally Posted by Conchman

this policy is not much different than US immigration policy, every 10 years or though some dim-wit politician proposes amnesty for ILLEGAL immigrants, giving them green cards, while people who went through legal channels can wait years, sometimes forever, and spend thousands of dollars, for nothing.

lets reward the people who broke the law, and screw the people over that tried to things legally.

Then they wonder why there are so many people wanting to cross the border illegally.

Last amnesty was given by Reagan in 1982, to date that is 27 years not 10 like you said.

[b.batista]

Originally Posted by Vacara

Last amnesty was given by Reagan in 1982, to date that is 27 years not 10 like you said.

Take your time and read the post carefully. Conchman did not say that amnesty was given every 10 years. He said it was proposed.

Originally Posted by Conchman
every 10 years or though some dim-wit politician proposes amnesty for ILLEGAL immigrants

[Vacara]

Originally Posted by b.batista

Take your time and read the post carefully. Conchman did not say that amnesty was given every 10 years. He said it was proposed.

I stand corrected, my bad.

[El_Uruguayo]

It seems as though the propasal was thrown out. Even if it had gone through, it wouldn't mean much, just a political "show" of amnesty. A large chunk of people would have trouble supplying proof that they have been here for a while - rent receipts, bank receipts, electrical bills ect. Plus I'm sure an application would be involved, which might be kinda hard for illeterates.