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Old 08-31-2009, 05:46 PM
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Default It looks like Bono lent his plane to Leonel

Leonel is currently traveling to Libya. I had heard the president is a big fan of U2 but didn't know he would go as far a rent the same plane they are using.


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Old 09-01-2009, 01:32 PM
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They probably rent from the same company :-) But who knows, U2 has enough money to own that plane and others.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:31 PM
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I'm glad it wasn't Chavez' plane! Does this make him a puppet of Bono? :P
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:12 AM
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thank god is someone else plane, imagine our poor country owning a Presidential Plane lol
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Old 10-11-2009, 07:15 PM
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I worked for years for a Danish multinational who owned 2 extremely nice (I know they were nice because I got to fly them a number of times) learjets, borrowed out to the Danish royal family, whenever they wanted them...

You honestly think my company's owners (private owned) did this out of friendship??? whahahaha... think again...

Sorry people... yes, I'm sure the DR-politicians are corrupt and much more obvious than in our native countries... but not that different...

It is my belief, and I will get a lot of controversy over this, that the majority of the politicians are, let us say, not completely honest or impartial as their office should imply...

They are human, and we gave them the power... which they sometimes (some more than others) "ab"use for their own personal gain or improvement, or to help family or "loyal" friends...

Do I approve? Certainly not... it is one of the reasons I hate politics, politicians, and everything surrounding them... Is it a fact of life, and human nature... I'm ashamed, as a human, to say yes...

Does it happen in the DR... most certainly... but get those blindfolds of... it happens in Belgium, in Europe, in the US, in Asia, in Australia, in Africa, in short everywhere..., some places worse than others...

A short final example of abuse of political position... in the village where I lived in Belgium, I was one of the 10 people elected to be on the community-board responsible of sports... every board-meeting (once a month) the elected politician of this village responsable of culture and sports, was present. He did not have to be, but he was paid a handsome 300$ for his presence at a 1-hour meeting, not saying a word, and drinking free beer. He was also present at the meetings of the cultural youth association (300 $ and free beer), the cultural town association (300 $ and free beer), the cultural association of senior citizens (300 $ and free beer), the youth club associations (300 $ and lots of free beer), etc... and this on top of his 3,500 $ net salary for being a part-time town official ( he also had a job as a physical therapist)...

You want to make the calculation? And tell me this is not some form of "legal" corruption...

Before I get accused... yes, I got paid as well... 25$ and free beer... whahahahaha

And why did I do it??? To make sure our club got access to some benefits... so does this make me corrupt? Probably so... as a real small fish in the pond of sharks...
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Old 10-12-2009, 11:49 AM
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Having been in the corporate aviation biz in a past life, including housing aircraft for Charter companies, I can tell you, most likely, why Leonel is in that aircraft:

1) All bizjets are not equal. Each has a designed mission. That plane is intercontinental and can fly a bunch of folks thousands of miles. They make up a small % of the bizjet fleet. It was the right tool for the job of flying to Libya.

2) Virtually all bizjets not corporate owned and operated are in a charter fleet and various charter brokers have access to it. For instance, a Charter company in my hanger used Jerry Jones Dallas Cowboy-adorned jet as well as Nigel Mansell's Citation X to charter. Bizjets are waaaaaay expensive to operate without many being subsidized by being put into Charter service.

I know owners of Lear 31's who would charter Challengers because their own Lear wasn't cost-effective for a particular mission.

I put my old '01 Cessna 182S, a "high performance" (FAA type designation for a plane of it's HP/constant-speed prop/cowl flaps configuration) airplane, in a flight school fleet (my flight school until I sold it) to rent it for 20 hrs. a month to subsidize the cost.

I quit flying my 182 to the DR 6-8 times a year because it was not the right aircraft for the mission (single engine flying long stretches overwater out of radar contact with ATC). But the right aircraft-a turbocharged twin-is cost prohibitive for 2 passengers unless oney is meaningless. The cost of fuel and maintenance (easily triple the cost of a single engine) could run the hourly operating costs into the $250 area vs. $100. To put this into perspective, the hourly cost (no profit or brokers commission, just the base operating cost) of a bizjet is $US850 (small Lear) to $US2500 (GII). An older 727 costs around $4000 per hour to operate. Those figures do not include crew, headhead fees, ramp costs, etc.

I doubt there is any connection between Bono and Leonel. No doubt he felt like a Rock Star renting it...
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Old 10-12-2009, 04:45 PM
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Cobra, that's really interesting as I am a huge fan of aviation. One question though, are those figures calculated with actual fuel prices, or are those costs from old fuel prices?

Also to fly the 182 to the DR with no radar contact in long stretches over water is a really brave thing to do (at least for me lol), specially when those winds kick in.
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Old 10-12-2009, 05:11 PM
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Cobra, that's really interesting as I am a huge fan of aviation. One question though, are those figures calculated with actual fuel prices, or are those costs from old fuel prices?

Also to fly the 182 to the DR with no radar contact in long stretches over water is a really brave thing to do (at least for me lol), specially when those winds kick in.
Those are a year old and based on US Jet A prices at the time.

It costs a LOT of green to fly a bizjet. It's difficult to make a good business case in most instances.
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